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Old 02-07-2006, 09:53 AM   #1  
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Default Holmgren... Unprofessional, Sore Loser, & Whipped

I posted this on another site; figured I get the thoughts of my fellow members here too.

"We knew it was going to be tough going up against the Pittsburgh Steelers," Holmgren said. "I didn't know we were going to have to play the guys in the striped shirts as well."

In case you hadn't heard or read, those were the comments made by Seattle head coach, Mike Holmgren. The whole story could be found at ESPN.com... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=2321636

From fans, fine. From the media, it's to be expected. But as the head coach and figured head of the organization, he should be embarrassed by his remarks. As to why he's "whipped?" These comments were not made the day of the Super Bowl. His comments at that time (SB) were that they (Seattle) simply lost for various reasons. It's not till after he gets wiff of all the crap being spewed that he decides to jump on the bandwagon. As an NFL head coach, you aren't just addressing your fans, but the entire country and American football fans everywhere.

I'm not going to say some calls were unjust, but Seattle had more than enough chances to "overcome" and win, win big even. They failed to execute. Several dropped passes, missed FGs, horrible time management, bad play calling... It's not like Seattle played an amazing game and it was taken away from them. They were subpar, as were the Steelers, but the Steelers were the better team overall.

If I felt cheated, then I probably wouldn't let it go (I still believe the refs were bias and / or corrupt in the Steelers vs Colts game). However, public behavior of a head coach should be put to a different standard. I don't care what MH's personal opinion is, don't make comments that essentially take blame off your team, your coaching, and even moreso, hurt the credit deserved by the winners.

I'm not knocking Seattle (team or fans) or judging the events of the super bowl. But when you're a head coach of an NFL team, you should be more professional.
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Old 02-07-2006, 10:22 AM   #2  
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I agree with him 100%. I feel the NFL wanted the Bettis feel good story to happen and it did. I think Holmgren has every right to be pissed off as do all the Seattle fans. I had no preference on whom won or lost but when a game is one sided by officials so blatently...you cant have this. I believe there needs to be more Ref training and no more part time. These guys need to be full time and focus more on the job that can and did affect games. This isnt the only game to mention..several regular season games..poor officiating all over the game here
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I tend to agree with Holmgren on this. As a neutral, I was flabergasted by the officiating, and it seemed very one sided.
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Hey Lord, why dont you try going through a complete football season, make it to the superbowl and then have Refs control the biggest game in America and then see how you feel.

Everytime Seattle was about to score they were flagged for BS calls, the Hawks had 14Pts taken away by dumb officiating. And dont say its only Hawk fans complaining when the National media is all over it along with fans of other teams.

I believe Mike had every right to say what he said the fans needed to hear it and the players need to know there coach is sticking up for them.
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Steelers and Colts playoff game......could it have gotten any worse than that game, I think not. The Steelers had horrible officiating calls against them (Troy's INT overturned) and still overcame the bad officiating and won the game. That's the sign of a good team. Seatlle had more than enough opportunities to put the game away in the first half and force Pitt to play catcfh up. That lone bad call (Troy's INT overturned) almost cost them the game that they dominated for three and a half quarters.

The calls that came against the Seahawks were questionable. A push off did occur in the endzone (it happened right in front of the ref by the way), there was offensive holding on the long pass reception, there was no way to tell from the camera angles if the ball crossed the endzone on Big Ben TD run (Remember, there has to be visible evidence). Those things occur every play, the refs just choose when to call it.

Oh, and the last six teams to lose the superbowl never made it back to the playoffs the following year!
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you guys are so wrong, 1- the offensive pass interference call....well guess what? it was a push off period.2nd the ben td play a still picture showed the ball crossed the plain...td. 3rd seattle fumbled the ball and the ball was never rewarded to pittsburgh. seattle lost because dropped passes,terrible clock managemant, and gave up some big plays. pitt made the plays seattle didn't. STEELERS SUPER BOWL CHAMPS
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Funny that the Steelers defense is coming from Steelers fans.... Imagine that.

Tainted victory.
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it was poorly called game and funny thing every bad call was against seattle, i think it is called biased or intimidated officiating, it has to be a neutral game. there were so many crucial penealties called against Hawks.
no offfence Pittsburgh was deserving team to win but not it in this fashion, i don't get it, how come so many refs in the field and after replays available you still get a bad call. I think the reviews should not be reviewed by the official on the field he has every tendency to backup his call in the field especially if it marginal, obviously he is worried about is paycheck from next game.
two bad calls for Seattle is 14 points diffrential it is huge in low scoring game.

I think still NFL is better than NBA worst officiating in all professional sports is NBA. No wonder the way star player get treatment from Refs in NBA games when these superstars play at international levels they look very ordinary not good for basketball game.

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Funny that the Steelers defense is coming from Steelers fans.... Imagine that.

Tainted victory.
Funny that the rest is coming from Steeler haters.....Imagine that.

The bad calls were not game changing calls to begin with. Good teams overcome bad officiating and find a way to win!!!! (Colts & Steelers game for instance)

NFC is always been under the AFC.....Any of the AFC teams in the playoffs would have beat the Seahawks.

You guys are beating a dead horse anyway. Get over it

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I'm not a Seattle fan? I'm a Giants fan.

Every neutral couldn't believe it. Good for you guys though. I'm sure in a couple of years people will have forgetten

1) What a piss poor game it was
2) How poor the officiating was
3) How tainted the victory was.

Cheers!
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At least it wasn't a blow out. Pretty much came down to the last quarter of play.
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I'm totally neutral on this one (literally live halfway between the two cities, wasn't cheering for either team) and didn't see a huge problem with the officiating until the next morning when everyone was talking about it. I guess you can thank talk radio for that!

As besz28 said above, the offensive pass interference call was definitely a push off. Just because some receivers get away with it sometimes doesn't mean it's not a penalty. The Roethlisberger touchdown was obviously close and could have been called either way, but from the first replay on (couldn't tell from the live camera angle) I thought it was a touchdown and the tip of the ball broke the plane. That's a close call but I don't think there's any way you could call it a bad call. The "blocking" penalty on Hasselbeck was a bad call but realistically it didn't affect the outcome of the game at all.

The only call that was clearly a bad call and probably would have affected the game at all is the holding call on the long pass play. But there's no guarantee they would have scored on that drive, and I still doubt they would have won the game based on how poorly they were playing overall. The bottom line is that the team that played the best game won the game, and that's how it should be.
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I'm totally neutral on this one (literally live halfway between the two cities, wasn't cheering for either team) and didn't see a huge problem with the officiating until the next morning when everyone was talking about it. I guess you can thank talk radio for that!
Thank you for bringing that up.

Because only once today (from a local radio show), did I hear someone comment on that. It seems the play calls got worse from 10p Sunday. Of course, I was watching the game with Steelers goggles, but I didn't believe the officiating was as bad as people made it out to be. Also, it seemed to be consistently bad. I don't hear people debating the Hasselback fumble being overturned. Down by contact my @ss.

But the game itself is / was not my point... Regardless, of personal feelings, Holmgren was out of line making that statement public and should be penalized.

Edit... Funny, I checked this after lunch thinking a couple responses. This really took off.

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I'm not a Seattle fan? I'm a Giants fan.

Every neutral couldn't believe it. Good for you guys though. I'm sure in a couple of years people will have forgetten

1) What a piss poor game it was
2) How poor the officiating was
3) How tainted the victory was.

Cheers!
now i understand, your underachieving giants couldn't get it done. bet you wish you got ben instead of eli?how's plaxico? tainted my ass the steelers scored 21 on seattle....period. deal with it your giants suck and the steelers are superbowl champions now put that on your plasma screen beeeeooootch.
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Of course, I was watching the game with Steelers goggles...I don't hear people debating the Hasselback fumble being overturned. Down by contact my @ss.
Time to get new goggles Lord. Of all the close calls that was the easiest to make. If a player is touched on his way down he is down by contact. Period. The officiating was not any worse than it has been (great point about the media). Holmgren has a right to bitch...not that it will do any good. I believe loud-mouth Porter had a few things to say a couple weeks back too.

Now everyone knows what Raider fans have been dealing with for years.
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