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Old 04-01-2009, 08:06 AM   #1  
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Ok first a BIG thank you to all the AV techies who helped guide me through my LCD purchase. I now need to get a 5.1 surround sound system.

Here is what I am working with:
  • HDTV - Samsung LN52A650
  • Receiver - Denon AVR1909
  • TV SVC - Time Warner Cable - HD-DVR (Scientific Atlantic 84xx)
  • Room Size - 12 x 15
  • Primary use of system - 50% HD TV, 35% Video, 15% music

Budget - +/- $600
  • Center Channel - Looking first and foremost for a good center. For aethetics I do NOT want a short boxy unit. Looking for at least 18" in length and under 9" in depth. Will be mounted above the 52" LCD on the wall. Prefer black. Some silver is ok.
  • Left/ Right Satellites - In wall speakers (wife is dictating here)
  • Rear Surround - In wall speakers (wife is dictating here)
  • Sub - 8-10" [will upgrade later, likley have to sacrifice here for now)

I am not hung up on brand names. I want good "value". Someone suggested the The Speaker Company. I perused their site and they appear to have good value and positive reviews but I am weary of reviews posted on company's web sites. Many of their speakers were out of stock. I am also concerned about matching speakers for optimal sound quality but dont know a thing about this issue.

If I need to provide any further informaiton to get feedback please let me know. Thanks in advance.

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Old 04-01-2009, 10:29 AM   #2  
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Since you are required to go with in-wall, your selection-to-price ratio closes a lot. Polk Audio, Klipsch, Infinity, Boston Acoustics..etc all have in-walls.

Here is a link to Crutchfield's in-wall selection

Are you planning on having your center channel as a stand-alone or in-wall as well? From what I have seen, in-wall centers are somewhat expensive (though my rule of thumb for an HT system is to spend the most on the center channel).
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Center Channel will be a stand-alone, mounted ON the wall. I have reviewed Crutchfield's speakers prior to posting. I want to make sure the stand alone center channel speaker is properly matched with the in-wall satellites/surrounds.
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The Polk CSR center fits your description for the center, for the front mains: the RC65i's and for surrounds, the RC55i's are a good place to start. There are, no doubt, plenty of other possible solutions but I know Polk as being good quality for the money.
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Mirage center speaker V2 series have an excellent sound dispersion (small footprint also) with their Omni directional systems and can be bought on ebay reasonably.
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Thanks Stew4HD. Will check them out.

Are Polks considered to be higher quality than say JBL, Klipsch, Boston Acoustics.

Anyone heard of Proficient?
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Never heard of proficient speakers.

I have listened to Klipsch, Polk, and JBL. I own polks and am VERY happy with them. I think Klipsch is high regarded...some consider them a bit brighter than the polks which have a more mellow sound. I am not very familiar with JBL, but do not think they are on the same level as the other two companies. Best thing to do is do an in-store audition.

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Thanks Pycroft.
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Thanks Stew4HD. Will check them out.

Are Polks considered to be higher quality than say JBL, Klipsch, Boston Acoustics.

Anyone heard of Proficient?
I haven't heard of Proficient.

I would say that Polk is along the same lines as the others you mentioned as far as quality though I am not familair with Boston Acoustics. JBL used to be the good stuff but haven't heard them in ages.
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Are Polks considered to be higher quality than say JBL, Klipsch, Boston Acoustics.

Anyone heard of Proficient?
Polk has a line for everyone. Their LSi is near audiophile quality, while the RTi/Monitor is a great entry level. I like that about Polk, you always know you'll get some 'trickle down' engineering from their top-of-the-line stuff.


I can also vouch for The Speaker Company. I've used them about 3 times now (for myself and friends) and every time I test one of their products I'm impressed.

$600 will take you the furthest with tSc, but you should also look at the Harmon Audio store and Polk Audio store on ebay. They have some great deals.
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Thanks Kampsy. I will check out the ebay stores but a little weary of ebay shopping based on some bad past experiences.

I got a chance to hear two really nice center speakers (Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000 for $220 and for 2000 $349). They were the best centers I have heard in each respective price range.

My problem is I need 2 in-wall fronts and two in-wall rears and Definitive Technologies in-wall speakers are out of my price range. Best I could were about $220 EACH. I dont know how to match speakers for optimum audio. Could I match the DT ProCinema center with other in-wall speakers? What about the Speaker Company's IW-D5 or IW-5 - Pair 5.25" In-Wall Speakers? Any ideas?

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Thanks Kampsy. I will check out the ebay stores but a little weary of ebay shopping based on some bad past experiences.

I got a chance to hear two really nice center speakers (Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000 for $220 and for 2000 $349). They were the best centers I have heard in each respective price range.

My problem is I need 2 in-wall fronts and two in-wall rears and Definitive Technologies in-wall speakers are out of my price range. Best I could were about $220 EACH. I dont know how to match speakers for optimum audio. Could I match the DT ProCinema center with other in-wall speakers? What about the Speaker Company's IW-D5 or IW-5 - Pair 5.25" In-Wall Speakers? Any ideas?

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Def Tech came to mind immediately when I read what you wanted in a center channel (aesthetically speaking), but then I saw the budget.

Find out what the drivers of the Def Tech are made of. Both the tweeter and the mid bass woofer. Also, get the sizes of the drivers.

Then we can look for identical matches in material, which will give you some amount of tonal balance when switching between brands.
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Hope this helps?:

ProCenter 2000 :Specifications
Dimensions | Metric :17" W x 6-1/2" D x 6-1/2" H | 43.2 x 16.5 x 16.5 cm
Frequency Response :42 Hz 30 kHz
Driver Complement :One 1" pure aluminum dome tweeter; Two 5-1/4" BDSS upper bass/midrange drivers; Two 5-1/4" pressure coupled bass radiators
Impedance :Compatible with 8 Ohms outputs
Sensitivity :91 dB
Recommended Associated Amplifier Power :10 250 watts
A/V Receiver Crossover Setting :60 Hz
Inputs :One pair of 5 way binding posts
Available Finishes :Gloss Black only
Accessories :Leveler Foot; Two 20 insert cover plugs
Mounting Options :Vertically: On Shelf with included leveling foot; Equipped with two 20 sized threads to accommodate on wall mounting brackets (available separately)
Packaging :One to a carton
Weight | Metric :10 lbs | 4.5 kg
Warranty :5 Years

ProCenter 1000 :Specifications
Dimensions | Metric :14-3/4" W x 5" D x 5" H | 37.5 x 12.7 x 12.7 cm
Driver Complement :One 1" pure aluminum dome tweeter; Two 4-1/2" BDSS upper bass/midrange drivers; Two 4-1/2" pressure coupled bass radiators
Frequency Response :47 Hz 30 kHz
Impedance :Compatible with 8 Ohms outputs
Sensitivity :90 dB
Recommended Associated Amplifier Power :10 200 watts
A/V Receiver Crossover Setting :80 Hz
Inputs :One pair of 5 way binding posts
Available Finishes :Gloss Black; Gloss White
Accessories :Leveler Foot; Two 20 insert cover plugs
Mounting Options :On Shelf with included leveling foot; Equipped with two 20 sized threads to accommodate on wall mounting with two ProMount 80 (available separately)
Packaging :One to a carton
Weight | Metric :6 lbs | 2.7 kg
Warranty :5 Years
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http://www.thespeakercompany.com/PTI...er-P89C11.aspx

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http://www.thespeakercompany.com/NTI...er-P86C11.aspx

Both match up pretty well. Hard tweeters and hard woofers. Just like the DTs. Same impedance.

Here's a link to the Audioholics review of the NTIW series. High marks all around.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...-ntiw26-ntiw25
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http://www.thespeakercompany.com/PTI...er-P89C11.aspx

or

http://www.thespeakercompany.com/NTI...er-P86C11.aspx

Both match up pretty well. Hard tweeters and hard woofers. Just like the DTs. Same impedance.

Here's a link to the Audioholics review of the NTIW series. High marks all around.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...-ntiw26-ntiw25


THANKS!

Few questions:
Do you think the Definitive Tech ProCinema 1000 center is substantially better the TSC's centers? They sure look nicer, lol.

Do you think I could go with the nicer dual speakers NTIW25 5.25" up front and the PTIW6.5s in the rear? Or do they need to be the same?
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