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Old 04-02-2009, 06:06 PM   #16  
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THANKS!

Few questions:
Do you think the Definitive Tech ProCinema 1000 center is substantially better the TSC's centers? They sure look nicer, lol.

Do you think I could go with the nicer dual speakers NTIW25 5.25" up front and the PTIW6.5s in the rear? Or do they need to be the same?
Oooh. That's gonna get me flamed.

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For MY money, mid levels brands like Def Tech aren't worth the premium over entry level like Infinity, Polk, tSc, etc.

So substantially....no. Not in my opinion. You could spend half as much and get the same quality center. In my opinion.

Now those powered towers they have, that's another story


I think with $600 you could do a LOT of damage getting the whole system from tSc. Their subs are great (Energy Clones) and the in-walls are clones of MB Quart speakers that cost twice as much.

Many people think tSc just buy's the reference designs after a manufacturer has moved on and makes the same speaker under their own brand.

The subs are especially punchy for the $$$ you'll spend. The GM of the company is only an email away also. Really accessible in my experience. I like doing business with them because the CS is hands on.
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:21 AM   #17  
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Thanks Kampsy. I appreciate your honesty. You dont work for TSC by chance, lol. I agree the speakers at TSC appear to give you very good value. I dont know anything about MB Quart speakers to compare but I will assume these are high quality if you mentioned. The reason I started looking for another mid-level center brand is TSC only offers two lines of center speakers . . . a huge boxy TC line and a small TSAT line which appears better for a bookcase then to be mounted. Both don't appear to work with my set-up needs? I was looking for a center speaker 18-20"l x 5-6"w x 5-7"d like the DT ProCinema 2000 line.

Can the TSAT-2000 be mounted on top of a 52" LCD EDGE? I have the TV mounted above fireplace on a forward tilt (about 9-10" from the wall) and this speaker appears to be too small and lack the depth to mount several inches above the TV and angled down? And NO the TV location cannot be changed. Its already higher than ideal height but was mounted to be viewed from the entire downstairs adjacent rooms. Trade-offs my friends.

The TC2 is HUGE (Depth) and BOXY and I am concerned about mounting above the TV on the wall? Can it be angles down at the room? Do they sell brackets for this? Its over 20 pounds.

I asked some of these questions to TSC and no reply. While they have been responsive in the past to my quesitons I find their responses to be VERY short and lack details. You cannot get into a dialogue with their CS personnel via email. Sometimes you get a response in hours and other times days. Their speakers seem to be out of stock for long periods of times leading me to believe their products all come from Asia.

As an aside, I called one of the most reputable online electronics companies and spoke to a "speaker expert". He strongly tried to talk me out of mixing speakers from different manufacturers. Told him I really liked the DT centers and I was looking for value oriented, in-wall speakers and he said the audio/surround will not be optimal if I mix speakers (especially fronts) even if the components are the same. If this hyperbole?

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Just wondering here.. what don't you like about the Polk Audio speakers?
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I think the Def Tech may be the way to go for a center channel.
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As an aside, I called one of the most reputable online electronics companies and spoke to a "speaker expert". He strongly tried to talk me out of mixing speakers from different manufacturers. Told him I really liked the DT centers and I was looking for value oriented, in-wall speakers and he said the audio/surround will not be optimal if I mix speakers (especially fronts) even if the components are the same. If this hyperbole?
No, it's not hyperbole. You want seamless transitions across the front. You may find a good match when mixing brands. But, I think you'd need to audition the combination, which is tough when buying online.
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OK so I ask, why do I see so many surround sound systems with a different brand in the center channel speaker?
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No, it's not hyperbole. You want seamless transitions across the front. You may find a good match when mixing brands. But, I think you'd need to audition the combination, which is tough when buying online.
I agree and think one is better off by sticking to the same brands for the fronts and center. I think it is less likely to be a problem with un-matched surrounds. It is very important to match speaker timbre which is why companies make entire speaker systems to work with one another.
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OK so I ask, why do I see so many surround sound systems with a different brand in the center channel speaker?
If someone is doing this, then they most likely do not have proper balance between fronts and center. Maybe they just bought speakers according to looks/price, regardless of manufacturer.

If you ask any audio professional, they will tell you that you should always try and match speakers by brand name and series within that brand for optimum soundfield.
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Thaks STew4HD.

Based on my input in this thread, do you have any good suggestions for matched fronts in my price range? I am trying to stay under $600 for center, fronts (in wall) and rear (in wall). Sub not included in the $600.

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Thaks STew4HD.

Based on my input in this thread, do you have any good suggestions for matched fronts in my price range? I am trying to stay under $600 for center, fronts (in wall) and rear (in wall). Sub not included in the $600.
For your 600$,

Fronts: Polk Audio RC65i @ 199$ a pair
Surrounds: Polk Audio RC55i @ 149$ a pair
Center: Polk Audio CSi A4 @ 279$
All total is roughly 627$ from Crutchfield. I wish I knew a place for you to test these out for yourself but, honestly, if I was doing an in-wall install, I would be very comfortable with these Polks. I have had nothing but good luck with Polk's in the past.



The center channel is a good one and needs to be. Also, give Crutchfield a call, you might be able to talk them into free shipping on everything! The Center speaker I quoted already has free shipping on it.
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For your 600$,

Fronts: Polk Audio RC65i @ 199$ a pair
Surrounds: Polk Audio RC55i @ 149$ a pair
Center: Polk Audio CSi A4 @ 279$
All total is roughly 627$ from Crutchfield. I wish I knew a place for you to test these out for yourself but, honestly, if I was doing an in-wall install, I would be very comfortable with these Polks. I have had nothing but good luck with Polk's in the past.



The center channel is a good one and needs to be. Also, give Crutchfield a call, you might be able to talk them into free shipping on everything! The Center speaker I quoted already has free shipping on it.
Stew just nailed it.

I didn't know the CSi series was so inexpensive now. I've got the CSi6 and absolutely love it.

I also love Polk in general, but don't follow much in-wall stuff.

I've got 2 Polk LCR sets (Monitor series and RTi/CSi series) flanked with tSc surrounds. Hence the nods to tSc.
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Hey thanks Stew4HD. Polk system seems like a nice alternative. My only concern is the bulk/depth of the center.

All in all it seems I can get more speaker for the money from TSC but I cannot find a center that works and then there is matching the center with the 4 in walls that seems to be a problem. Of course TSC tells me otherwise but I dont know how objective they are as their goal is to sell speakers.

If I increased my budget to $850 is there a better 5.1 set-up I should be looking at?

Finally, I need a few sub recommendations. Looking at the TSC [maybe T250] or JBL or other value line sub. Looking for a 8-10". I don't need/want a room thumping large sub.

Again much thanks to forum members for their input.

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What are your size restrictions for the center channel?

Infinity makes an in wall center speaker for 159$: The ERS HV250

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108ERHV...50.html?tp=192

Also, matching in-walls: 4 of the Infinity CS60's for $90 each. http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108CS60...60.html?tp=192

For a sub.. Many 10" subs are available that might suit you such as the Infinity PS210 for 299$
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108PS21...10.html?tp=187

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If I put on the top of the TV I can get away with 16-28 L x 4-6 H x 7-9 D.

I want an on wall center.

Thanks for the links to the Infinity speakers. Would you say these are equal quality and value to the Polks you recommended? Looks like Crutchfield has some nice sales.
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Hey thanks Stew4HD. Polk system seems like a nice alternative. My only concern is the bulk/depth of the center.

All in all it seems I can get more speaker for the money from TSC but I cannot find a center that works and then there is matching the center with the 4 in walls that seems to be a problem. Of course TSC tells me otherwise but I dont know how objective they are as their goal is to sell speakers.

If I increased my budget to $850 is there a better 5.1 set-up I should be looking at?

Finally, I need a few sub recommendations. Looking at the TSC [maybe T250] or JBL or other value line sub. Looking for a 8-10". I don't need/want a room thumping large sub.

Again much thanks to forum members for their input.

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What's your sub Budget?? I would look into Elemental Designs, they make great subs.. There is a wait, since each sub is custom built, but they have subs in just about all price ranges..
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