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Old 09-24-2008, 02:29 PM   #31  
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And of course there is JL audio.
Oh, yes.. and bring a fat wallet! From what I've read they are starting to get a lot of competition now..which is good. They may have to lower their prices or have more reasonable offerings.
Have not heard any JLs myself, only a spattering of other brands here and there.

Super subs are scarce around my area, save a handful of custom dealers or installers.
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Old 09-24-2008, 02:33 PM   #32  
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If anyone is interested this is a Subwoofer review/comparison, it is missing a couple of the newer subs and does not test every sub, as that would be near impossible. This is just to help those looking for a quality sub who dont want to spend months analyzing and researching... Enjoy

http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11
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All listening us done under blind conditions. The panel of listeners include several very experienced audiophiles, some of whom also design and build high end pro audio speakers. The subwoofers were each placed in the identical room position, and eq'ed to have a fairly flat (3 dB window) response curve from 18 Hz and up, when the subwoofer was able to go that "low".

Measuring procedures: All measurements are taken at 2 meters/GP from the front baffle of a subwoofer. In the case of a ported sub, the microphone is placed so it is 2 meters from the center of the driver(s) and port. The posted measured results are max "clean" 20 Hz output and the average from 20 to 63 Hz. If it seemed like the amp was the limiting factor in output, "AL" is added to the 20 Hz SPL.
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5a. JL Audio Fathom 113 $3500

Listening results: The built in ARO system makes calibration into one's system a snap. The Fathom allows the well heeled audiophile to get an unmatched combination of powerful bass and extension with bass quality that matches the finest monitor speakers, all in a package that will fit in a room of high quality furniture. The panel of listeners was shocked that something so compact could deliver such visceral bass. This is the first subwoofer that delivers on the promise of small size with true subwoofer performance.

Measured results ... 20 Hz: 102 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 112.5 dB

5b. AV-123 MFW-15. $599 Designed by Mark Seaton!!!! What a genius!!!!

Listening results: The MFW-15 amazed the panel by largely matching the PB13 Ultra in all musical areas with the exception of pipe organ. Bass is deep, tight and powerful, with no overhang at all. The cabinet work done on this subwoofer is absolultely stellar, especially in its price range. By stellar, we mean just how inert it is. The cabinet barely vibrates during the most powerful passages, and this helps the MFW-15 to get its excellent musical rating. It is, as an earlier graph shows, very linear in its response curve, all the way to 100 Hz. It is in the area of slam an linearity that allows this subwoofer to match more high priced units. The Steely Dan disc on this subwoofer is a bass head's dream, with a lot of the panel requesting to hear it again after the test. Stanley Clarke was also as crystal clear on the MFW-15 as with any subwoofer we have had.

Measured results... 20 Hz - 105 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 112 dB

6. Definitive Technology Trinity $3000

Listening results: The Trinity surprised a few listeners by being musical with dual active 14's and quad passive 14 inch drivers. Its music/movie weakness was above 60 Hz, and this sub is a total performer when used with a 50-60 Hz crossover. For home theater, no sub here delivered a better performance on the machines emerge scene from WOTW, while Steely Dan's 2AN was almost as good as the Elemental Design's delivery.

Measured results ... 20 Hz: 109 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 115.5 dB

7. Velodyne DD-18. $5000
Listening results: The big Velodyne was our original standard bearer here. It is a beast above 25 Hz, and is the ultimate in "plug and play", in regards to its auto eq. The DD-18 is still worthy of consideration, but it is eclipsed by many newer offerings.

Measured results ... 20 Hz: 95 dB ... 20-63 Hz average: 109 dB
now this is just a select few, he goes in depth with ones from JL audio, Epik, SVS, HSU, Elemental Designs and many others..
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:57 PM   #33  
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You certainly can not count on price to set a performance level. Some of these 'internet' shops are cranking out some great affordable subs if you believe the reviews and testimonials.
I am looking at the medium to lower priced Epiks, Elemental Design, and AV123 myself. Love to hear or read more showdowns.
Nice guide, if nothing else, it shows you how big the field is...I am not sure you can listen to a sub the same way you do with main speakers.
Yes, it should blend nicely, but that could have as much to do with how you have tweaked your setup and less to do with the sub itself. Beyond that, it needs to sound 'musical' with recordings you are familiar with.
But you can hear 'extension' with the right recordings, and certainly how much pressurization is going on in your room when ordnance goes off in an action film, or how much your chest heaves on the lowest organ notes.
I am also convinced construction is fundamental. You only want to hear the driver, not panels flexing or boxes bouncing. Then comes the quality of the driver, and the amp last.
The ED and Epiks have models that weigh almost twice as much as my present Velodyne, at half the suggested msrp.
The more I learn the more I realize how little I knew! So easy to fall for a pretty face and decent behavior.

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You certainly can not count on price to set a performance level. Some of these 'internet' shops are cranking out some great affordable subs if you believe the reviews and testimonials.
I am looking at the medium to lower priced Epiks, Elemental Design, and AV123 myself. Love to hear or read more showdowns.
Nice guide, if nothing else, it shows you how big the field is...I am not sure you can listen to a sub the same way you do with main speakers.
Yes, it should blend nicely, but that could have as much to do with how you have tweaked your setup and less to do with the sub itself. Beyond that, it needs to sound 'musical' with recordings you are familiar with.
But you can hear 'extension' with the right recordings, and certainly how much pressurization is going on in your room when ordnance goes off in an action film, or how much your chest heaves on the lowest organ notes.
I am also convinced construction is fundamental. You only want to hear the driver, not panels flexing or boxes bouncing. Then comes the quality of the driver, and the amp last.
The ED and Epiks have models that weigh almost twice as much as my present Velodyne, at half the suggested msrp.
The more I learn the more I realize how little I knew! So easy to fall for a pretty face and decent behavior.
Believe me I was the same way and had my heart set on Def Techs SuperCube I ($1899), but that was before I heard an ID sub (an older HSU). Well that piqued my interest enough to start researching more of these ID companies, and low and behold a lot of them are legit and are actually besting subs costing 2-3x as much.. I have sense met local enthusiasts, who have demoed their subs and speakers for me and well I was speechless. A lot of these people were actually coming from Reference subs costing 3-4k a piece.. I have heard and read that the DIY way is THE best route, but not everyone is good with thier hands (guilty )soo buying from an ID company is becoming the best and most affordable route for the non handy man..
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I have heard and read that the DIY way is THE best route, but not everyone is good with thier hands (guilty )soo buying from an ID company is becoming the best and most affordable route for the non handy man..
Very true. Plus, DIY is not practical for everyone either, regardless of their skill level. It requires time, workspace, good tools, etc.
It would be difficult to put a price on DIY..it is priceless constructing anything for yourself that is of high performance.
Fortunately, ID offers an option for those who can not DIY for whatever reason, and those who do not want to spend a fortune on a 'brand name', but still value good audio.
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Very true. Plus, DIY is not practical for everyone either, regardless of their skill level. It requires time, workspace, good tools, etc.
It would be difficult to put a price on DIY..it is priceless constructing anything for yourself that is of high performance.
Fortunately, ID offers an option for those who can not DIY for whatever reason, and those who do not want to spend a fortune on a 'brand name', but still value good audio.
Very true, the tools some of these DIY kits require are not something one just has laying around. But if one were to have some around and was able to get material at cost, it can be a SUPER inexpensive way to get great sounding speakers and subs for very little, other than time and a lot of patience.. I dont have either so ID here I come
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:09 PM   #37  
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diy KITS ARE CHEAP, GET YOURSELF DYNAUDIO, AND YOU'LL HEAR AND FEEL THE DIFFERANCE, ALSO IN YOUR WALLET...LOL
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diy KITS ARE CHEAP, GET YOURSELF DYNAUDIO, AND YOU'LL HEAR AND FEEL THE DIFFERANCE, ALSO IN YOUR WALLET...LOL
Dynaudio is not cheap, but very good! I don't think they make kits anymore, but maybe some plans are still around.
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:31 PM   #39  
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i already purchased the eD A2 300 with a matte finish , 350 shipped. cant wait... its gonna take a month tho
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i already purchased the eD A2 300 with a matte finish , 350 shipped. cant wait... its gonna take a month tho
Wow, you pulled the trigger quickly on this one.. Good for you and congrats on your purchase

Now to play the waiting game, but remember "patience is a virtue"

Make sure to give us your impressions when it comes in..
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Old 09-26-2008, 06:03 PM   #41  
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haha i know man, sure thing man.. ill post when i get it, i was actually discussing on getting this sub on another forum aswell and i got a ton of comments there, not many commented to my post here but anyway, that sub will be a monster in my apartment lolz
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:54 PM   #42  
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I have the exact same def tech units as you - folks have highly recommended SVS and I will get the SVS PD10 sub.

$429 + Shipping.

Best sub for the money.
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My REL T-3 sounds excellent with any speaker system I have set it up with...
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ok man, my room is 21x12x9.

So the subro 1000 is a high quality sub right? It's worth the price yea? I mean it will be much better than my current htib onkyo subwoofer yea?
Also Hsu Research and SVS subs are great!
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i have 30 days to return the sub if i dont like it , and i wont get charged for shipping it back or anything so thats awesome.

I mean is there a reason why i might be disappointed with this sub? i cant find any better sub than this for a similar price
yes I think the SVS PB10 sub is a great choice at $479 plus shipping.
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