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Old 09-21-2008, 04:38 PM   #16  
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Did anyone even bother reading the review of the REL sub woofer I posted?
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:49 PM   #17  
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i did but its probably too expensive, i couldnt find the price there..

Loves2watch, you think i made a mistake buying the supercube III?

I have this as a choice also:

https://svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm

and this one:

http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html

do you think they are better than the supercube iii?
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i did but its probably too expensive, i couldnt find the price there..

Loves2watch, you think i made a mistake buying the supercube III?

I have this as a choice also:

https://svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm

and this one:

http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html

do you think they are better than the supercube iii?
It's totally up to you but the Rel T3 would sound much better then anything you have considered so far. Here is a link - http://www.soundmindaudio.com/on-lin...er-cherry.html This is a true audiophile subwoofer.
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Old 09-21-2008, 08:06 PM   #19  
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hm $598 is not a bad price but do they charge shiping and tax? i noticed one thing, these guys use the word "musical" alot in their description, is that sub made for music or its good for movies also? because mostly all i do is play games and watch movies
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hm $598 is not a bad price but do they charge shiping and tax? i noticed one thing, these guys use the word "musical" alot in their description, is that sub made for music or its good for movies also? because mostly all i do is play games and watch movies
All I can tell you is that it will fill your room with a warmth and presence no matter what you are feeding it that no other sub near it's price can do. Did you notice that they recommend connection it with BOTH line level inputs AND LFE? That was it misses nothing. Of course you can always search for other sellers as that was just an example I picked at random.

When Hometheatremag.com gives a sub such a rating like "• Exceptional deep and articulated bass response • Recommended for room-corner placement • Independent volume controls for speaker and LFE inputs. There's no one perfect subwoofer, obviously, and REL's T3 won't appeal to the person who wants his system to really boom. Many home theater owners simply want a bit more bass. There's no doubt that this relatively small, relatively affordable subwoofer did a fantastic job of improving my speaker system's depth without drawing attention to itself. And that's about the best praise you can bestow upon any subwoofer—or any audio component, for that matter." That should mean a lot to anyone who values audio whether it be music, movie soundtracks or games.

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Old 09-21-2008, 10:45 PM   #21  
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I see, well ill test out my supercube 3 which will arrive with my def tech pro1000 and procenter 2000 probably monday and we'll see how it goes.

the supercube iii has about 3 knobs on its back which i have no clue what to set to but i think abt.com has like a technical support team that gives such help for audio components over the phone for free.

Loves2watch, im sure that sub is nice but it looks its more more of a musical. its a nice one for sure tho.
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It's totally up to you but the Rel T3 would sound much better then anything you have considered so far. Here is a link - http://www.soundmindaudio.com/on-lin...er-cherry.html This is a true audiophile subwoofer.
Your buying nothing more than a name.. You can find much better and have it just as "musical" and pay less, if your willing to go the ID route..

The Super Cube is a sealed sub which as we all know is a "tighter" or another word for more accurate sub, which leads to a more articulate/accurate representation of the source that it is being fed..

Sealed subs also need a bit more power to achieve the same SPL(decibel level) levels at low frequencies as a ported design, which is why Subs such as the ones from Def Tech are extremely high powered compared to other ported subs(ported are more effecient), sealed subs are usually much smaller (physically) in size making them easier to hide..

There is honestly no reason other than the name on the box that would make the Rel or any other big name high dollar sub any better.. In fact if you look around at AVS and Audioholics, you will find they give better marks for accuracy and overall output to ID subs time and time again.. Soundandvision does not, but look at who pays the bills there ... I am not knocking the high dollar big name companies, but just check out some sub ranking threads and you will see subs costing 1k and less getting better grades(forboth music and overall) then Reference quality subs costing 2-4k..
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Your buying nothing more than a name.. You can find much better and have it just as "musical" and pay less, if your willing to go the ID route..
That is strictly your opinion as professional reviewers see it much differently, as do others.
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That is strictly your opinion as professional reviewers see it much differently, as do others.
sorry but it is not just my opinion, and professional reviewers are known to only review and vouch for the people who are paying the bills. Its not their fault, its just the way the industry works, I mean if they were to take a company who does not advertise and rate them higher then a company who does advertise the company that does in a sense "pay the bills" could easily split, thus leaving the Reviewing site/magazine in bad shape..

Soo for debates sake, why dont you tell me and anyone else who may be reading why is a sub costing 2-4x as much as an ID sub Better?

Is it overall output, is it responsiveness (musicality), is it a low frequency monster, is it aesthetics or build quality(both materials used and sturdiness/durability) or is it the name?
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sorry but it is not just my opinion, and professional reviewers are known to only review and vouch for the people who are paying the bills. Its not their fault, its just the way the industry works, I mean if they were to take a company who does not advertise and rate them higher then a company who does advertise the company that does in a sense "pay the bills" could easily split, thus leaving the Reviewing site/magazine in bad shape..

Soo for debates sake, why dont you tell me and anyone else who may be reading why is a sub costing 2-4x as much as an ID sub Better?

Is it overall output, is it responsiveness (musicality), is it a low frequency monster, is it aesthetics or build quality(both materials used and sturdiness/durability) or is it the name?
It is the quality, sound, depth (both low frequency and feeling), presence and unique features that allow it to capture MORE of the material presented as opposed to other subwoofers. If you would audition one yourself before making a rash judgment and discounting a product you too would understand the difference. Don't know about you but I prefer articulate, deep natural bass not loud, boomy many times overcompensated bass, and REL really delivers.

Have you even seen one, heard one, tested one?

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It is the quality, sound, depth (both low frequency and feeling), presence and unique features that allow it to capture MORE of the material presented as opposed to other subwoofers. If you would audition one yourself before making a rash judgment and discounting a product you too would understand the difference. Don't know about you but I prefer articulate, deep natural bass not loud, boomy many times overcompensated bass, and REL really delivers.

Have you even seen one, heard one, tested one?
Have you ever heard an ID sub? You are still making claims and offer no actual information to back it up.. Subs are not rocket science, speakers(L/C/R SS) can be as there is much more to them as they handle a much broader frequency range..

Believe me, I have heard subs, speakers, amps, I mean stuff that costs 15-20k and it just doesnt do it for me.. Does it sound good, yes, is it worth it, NO in my opinion.. Asked why people buy these names its because they can, in fact many people who were once McIntosh enthusiasts have came out and said it is not because they are better, because there are a lot of comparable companies out there but it is the name and look.. Go to AVS and dig into the DIY area, one guy had invested well over 150k in his theater, he had 4 Reference subs from Klipsch, M&K, he then went with subs from ID which he said were better(from SVS) and he just finished making 4 Sono Tubes that cost him 1k total.. The Reference Subs above are price tagged at 1200-1300 EACH!!! Here is what he said about making the switch..

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These Sonotubes will eat up and spit out any of them. To give an idea my pro subs were very effecient and I had them set for 120-122 db's of bass. I had to turn down these subs 10 db's to reach the same level. The bass is awesome. Clean, clean, and very powerful. My hair would stand up a little but now it feels like someone is combing your hair.
Soo again, what makes this Rel, more articulate, powerful ect ect? Saying its better means nothing, I already stated what makes ID subs on par or better and I can post multiple links from Bass enthusiasts all across the nation as to why these ID subs are wiping the floor with the competition. And that is coming from owners of subs such as Velodynes DD-18 (a 5k sub) Def Tech Trinity (3k sub),ACI Maestro ($2k sub) Paradigm Servo(2k sub) ect ect..


In fact go to TweakCity audio, there you will find a guy by the name of Craig (aka Craigsub, The Big Cigar) and Mark Seaton of MFW-15 Fame and many other amazing sunwoofers.. These guys are professionals and have heard and owned countless suboofers (go check the site out for yourself) but yet still rate ID subs higher then the previously mentioned high dollar companies.

The build quality and materials are on par, the technology is on par, Fit and finish is not in the majority of cases but some ID companies like AV123 offer very nice finishes with real wood veneer. The reason these subs dont as much as the high dollar group and are not mentioned in the likes of SoundandVision, is because in order to keep costs to a minimum they do not advertise and there is no middle man (like a B&M).. They rely on the enthusiasts of boards just like this to spread the word.

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If you haven't heard them then post no more because YOU obviously haven't done your homework.

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If you haven't heard them then post no more because YOU obviously haven't done your homework.
How do you know if I have or not?

You know this is an information board, and here you are making claims as to why one is better than the other, and I doubt you have heard "The Other". To further add to that, you have not even mentioned why product A is better than B with anything other than because you said so..

Thanks for the debate
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:26 PM   #29  
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If you plan to spend more than $500 for a sub, I would take a serious listen of some ugly ones like 'Elemental Designs' and 'Epik'. Much more bang for your buck.

I have a Veldoyne DLS-5000 which I am ready to unload for that very reason.
It is musical, and lots of power. But the extension sucks. Below 30Hz there is essentially nothing. I picked it up cheap, and open box, because I needed something at the time, and the one made to match my mains, sucked also for the price, in fact not even recommended by my retailer at the time.

REL, Revel, (B&W has made some very good ones) are others but more upscale unless you can do some negotiating on a used one. Although, the REL 'T' series is nice and reasonable, but far from a boomer.

One thing you will find in the better subs (cosmetics aside) are cabinets built like the proverbial brick s*&^house. And the hernia you get the next time you try to lift one will be evidence of that.

SVS, Hsu, Outlaw Audio, AV123, are other popular ones folks often use to replace their original name brand sub. Many of these subs like some I've listed, are 'internet sales' that does not mean they are bad. Most if not all, allow trial periods (some with free shipping, some not).
Again, you can get some excellent bass for a reasonable price. Just don't expect to find these at BB, CC, etc. And don't expect them to make a fashion statement except for the more high end ones.

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And of course there is JL audio.
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