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Old 02-12-2008, 01:57 PM   #31  
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is that 15 by 15 is a small room for proper bass propagation unless it is open to a hallway or other rooms. IMHE

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it was small but open on the left by an arch way to the dining room, and a double-width archway on the right to the den/office. Hence, the Supernova was plenty for the little room, and in fact, sounded pretty dern good. Punchy, accurate, and loooooooow when called upon.
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:38 PM   #32  
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Have you ever listened to a ML Dynamo? Very nice for the $...and can be front or down firing.
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Add another sub to the list for me, the PS212 looks like a damn good subwoofer. Now how do I find out which sub is right for me?

I heard a saying once that "things are only as complicated as you make them" Well I am trying not to make anything complicated but so far my audio endeavors are just that COMPLICATED!!!!



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The PS 212 is a great sub and for the money nothing compares to it. I own several as do most of my friends. You really don't need a major investment to get a good sub and Infinity is proof

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Old 02-13-2008, 06:59 AM   #34  
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Won the Fathom on a Monthly giveaway contest that's promoted in tandem by AVRevolution and Modern Home Theater. The MKIV series has recently been upended by the MKV (go figure) - but it's an excellent sub. I ran it with Atlantic Technology 2200 speakers in a small living room in my old house (15x15 at the biggest) and that package really threw out some sound. In my living room now, I'm not sure how the quake would've sounded alone. I was running my B&W ASW650 in the living room before the Fathom arrived. I'm sure the Quake would've done nicely. But the room is too big for a single sub IMHO.

One of my family member's is a dealer in Earthquake gear. If you want a price on one, PM me. That's how I got mine. Warning - their website absolutely BLOWS. It's so low-end. But the gear, is definitely not.

Thank you and I will look more into the Earthquake line of subs..
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Old 02-13-2008, 07:00 AM   #35  
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Have you ever listened to a ML Dynamo? Very nice for the $...and can be front or down firing.
http://www.us.martinlogan.com/displa...er/dynamo.html
I've heard plenty of Martin Logan products but have to say I have never heard one of their subs before.. I have a ML dealer near me so I will stop in and give a listen.. Thanks
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:25 AM   #36  
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I think if you're looking in the $500-range, there are a LOT of brands to spec out.

Infinity
JBL
Paradigm
ML
B&W
Earthquake
Outlaw
HSU
Atlantic Technology (not sure if this meets your pricing needs though)

just make sure you listen to anything before you buy...only your ears will know if you'll like it for sure!
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I think if you're looking in the $500-range, there are a LOT of brands to spec out.

Infinity
JBL
Paradigm
ML
B&W
Earthquake
Outlaw
HSU
Atlantic Technology (not sure if this meets your pricing needs though)

just make sure you listen to anything before you buy...only your ears will know if you'll like it for sure!
Actually I was only wanting to go in the $500 range as I thought I would be buying two of whatever I decided upon.. Now that I am going for one solid sub I have looked into subs around the $800 range. Some less some more

Here are the 5 that have caught my eye for one reason or another
HSU
SVS
Earthquake
Infinity
Outlaw

They are in no particular order but each one represents something I am looking for in a sub whether it be raw performance in both music and Cinema or a spirited budget performer with great praise..

Sad to say but I have only heard one of these companies subs before and that is the Infinity but it was an old piece of junk. And with most of these companies being factory direct its hard to actually hear them first hand. So graphs and reviews both peer and professional are being taken into account as well as price. I would like to keep the price under a grand as I also have to worry about the video portion of my HT setup when I move as my 42" plasma will not cut it and its going in my bedroom


Thanks to everyone for helping me out and putting in their I have gave an honest look into everything that has been mentioned and even though they are not all on my list that can change. I have time and will continue to look and read and listen when it is possible..
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Outlaw offers a money-back guarantee, as any company should that does not offer an opportunity to listen. I recommend heading over to Outlawaudio.com, registering in their forum, and asking questions in their sub-related threads after narrowing your search to some of their models. $800 buys a really nice sub. And the folks over there are very mature, very knowledgeable (see member Gonk for one of the best forum personalities around with questions - he'll respond to every thread if he has feedback).

My two subs that fall into that range are the Supernova (MSRP is much higher but retail you can easily get one in the $500-800 range) and the B&W - I bought the ASW650 from hifi house for about $600 and that sub also rocks. I love B&W speakers.
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lilmase - check this out in your endeavor.

http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/multsubs.pdf
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lilmase - check this out in your endeavor.

http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/multsubs.pdf
At one point they admit that using four subs they got significantly less output than two, albeit smoother response (paraphrased). I would argue that the same is true for two vs one in a home theater environment (reasonably sized room). Their tests seem aimed at getting the smoothest response over a atypically large viewing/listening area, and in only a medium sized room at that. I would presume that most people don't use multiple rows of seats in their home theater (6 foot by 6 foot). One row spanning ten feet or so seems more likely. It is too bad that they mention how important sound treatment in a room can be and then just blow it off and move on to adding more subs...too bad!!!

Just don't think people should think throwing a second sub in a room will solve all their bass problems, hardly!
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Check out the MIRAGE 12" subs really nice and clean sounding
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Check out the MIRAGE 12" subs really nice and clean sounding
woofers Batman! Ok, usually I can identify a speaker, but what are those monsterous things in your play room?

I have a Mirage 12" sub in storage, just don't need it anymore. Was a good sub though..good sound

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At one point they admit that using four subs they got significantly less output than two, albeit smoother response (paraphrased). I would argue that the same is true for two vs one in a home theater environment (reasonably sized room). Their tests seem aimed at getting the smoothest response over a atypically large viewing/listening area, and in only a medium sized room at that. I would presume that most people don't use multiple rows of seats in their home theater (6 foot by 6 foot). One row spanning ten feet or so seems more likely. It is too bad that they mention how important sound treatment in a room can be and then just blow it off and move on to adding more subs...too bad!!!

Just don't think people should think throwing a second sub in a room will solve all their bass problems, hardly!
Just a decent read, that's all I was saying - I do agree, 2 subs can be twice as challenging to place and set up properly. But for the right sized rooms, 2 was definitely an improvement over 1. I think people tend to think "twice the boom" with 2 identical subs, which is not a really good expectation. If you want more boom, chances are you need a larger sub with more power, and not just one more of the same. It's more about more evenly spread output. In my setup, I was having problems where I was getting a directional feel out of a single sub and that really didn't sit well with me. Putting a sub on the other side of the room quickly eliminated that issue.
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for clarifying, guess we pretty much agree. The thing about that article, other than being written by a company that sell three or so brands of subs, is that they kinda obscured the most important issues (not to beat the room acoustics and sweet spot to death).

I really had to ask for oxygen when they went into the six subs optimal set up (20 by 25 room) and the infinite number of sub simulation.

Glad you got your set up working for you, it indeed can be challenging and takes more than just buying something and throwing it in the corner.IMO It is definitely worth it when you get your system tuned in!

Nice conversation

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