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Old 05-19-2007, 12:39 AM   #16  
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Dear impalass8,

I have quickly read through the 247 manual.

Let's say my BluRay disc is in PCM 5.1, now I have 5th Element and Monster House. What setting would I put my AVR247 on? Would Dolby Pro Logic II Movie be a good choice? It was sounding a bit bright when I tried it.

Also when I only have a 5.1 setup I assume I connect SBL and SBR and leave SL and SR off.

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Old 05-19-2007, 07:45 AM   #17  
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Hi,

I found that I can just connect SL and SR for the rear speakers.

One odd thing is that our standard video looks better when the AVR247 doesn't upconvert to 720p and is set at 480. Also the 720p mode cuts off parts of the video frame. We're using a 1080p plasma.

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Old 05-20-2007, 01:36 PM   #18  
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Hi billcat,
Sounds like you figured out the 5.1 channel connections okay. As far as the video processing goes I'm not super thrilled with it, but the only other video that I run through the reciever is my other DVD 5 disc changer and that seems to up convert the 480p signal to 720p quite well. I tried running my VCR through the reciever and it made the picture awful. My telvision is a Hitachi 65" wide screen rear projection 1080i. I have multiple inputs so I ran the VCR direct to the TV and the audio only to the receiver. I have the HD-A2 HD DVD player hooked to one of the HDMI inputs and the HDMI out goes to my TV. I am reserving the other HDMI input for a Blu Ray player when the price comes down a little. When I play a movie that outputs PCM 5.1 the receiver automatically senses this and set the input. I have tried applying Pro Logic IIx processing but as I recall it wouldn't allow me to do this. I have a 7.1 setup and I wanted the internal processor to add the 2 rear most channels to the PCM 5.1 input and I could not get it to do this. So just for fun I hooked up the HD DVD player using fiber optic and changed the input to this in the receivers on screen menu. I then was able to either apply Pro Logic IIx or Neo6 processing to the DTS bitstream to make the 5.1 into 7.1. This sounds FANTASTIC. The Dolby True HD (5.1 PCM) over HDMI is great but personally the DTS bitstream with Neo6 or Pro Logic IIx added is what I prefer. I left the fiber optic hooked up so all I have to do is select whateve audio input I prefer in the on screen display to change the input from DTS bitstream to PCM 5.1. I hope this helps. If you have anymore questions just post and I'll try and help. I try to check the forum at least once a day but sometimes I don't get a chance. I'll answer as fast as I can. I hope you are enjoying your AVR 247, I love mine. I think you'll find that for the first couple of weeks you discover little things here and there that this receiver will do that you missed at first. try playing around with the surround mode buttons on the remote (toward the bottom of the remote. Labelled Dolby, DTS, Neo6, and Logic 7). If you need help with these or advice on some of the things these will do, let me know. If you wanted we could talk on the phone if you would like. We would just have to figure out a secure way to exchange phone numbers.
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Old 05-21-2007, 02:06 AM   #19  
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Thanks for all the help. I tried to have the AVR 247 to set the audio levels automatically and it seemed to get stuck. I reset it. Then I set it up manually and I watched Stomp the Yard. This movie showed Multi Channel PCM unlike my last two movies. I don't know why.

Sound was quite nice for Stomp the Yard.

I think I'll just keep plugging away and collect my questions in a few weeks instead.

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Old 05-21-2007, 05:46 PM   #20  
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I know this receiver upconverts through HDMI, but can it upconvert through analog component too? I'm looking into buying this reciever but I want to use it on this projector I have. It doesn't have HDMI only component. Thanks
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:12 PM   #21  
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The AVR 247 and 347 is HDMI 1.2a. I recieved this info from one of the Harman Kardon engineers directly. It does pass 1080i and 1080p straight through with no video processing. These recievers will take any 480i , 480 p, or 720p input and pass it through the HDMI as 720p. They also said it should work just fine with the PS3 which claims to be HDMI 1.3. Audio is also passed to the reciever through the HDMI cable and processed by the reciever as either Dolby, DTS, or PCM. The HDMI is not just a pass-through(swithching only) type as are alot of recievers in this price range. There are starting to be more coming that will do what the 247 and 347 do, but I believe Harman Kardon sound to be second to only extra high end components.
Actually the engineer is not telling the whole truth as it is only 1.1 and nothing more now it does pass osme of the 1.2 tests but it is only speced out as 1.1 I was given the factory spec sheet that the distributors are given and it states that this and the 347 are both HDMI 1.1 HK has no plans on updating to anything higher till a set of televisions hit the market that will take advantage of anything higher. This info came from a family friend who is a distributor for HK and has all the specs and full info now released for them. I was looking at it last night as I was talking to him and my Uncle who I would be buying it through at cost.
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Actually the engineer is not telling the whole truth as it is only 1.1 and nothing more now it does pass osme of the 1.2 tests but it is only speced out as 1.1 I was given the factory spec sheet that the distributors are given and it states that this and the 347 are both HDMI 1.1 ........
Yes.....that is what I suspected was the case. If you read the available specs closely enough, they also claim them to be 1.1.

Are there any AV receivers out there in the $1000-and-down level that support 1.3???




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Thanks for all the help. I tried to have the AVR 247 to set the audio levels automatically and it seemed to get stuck. I reset it. Then I set it up manually and I watched Stomp the Yard. This movie showed Multi Channel PCM unlike my last two movies. I don't know why.

Sound was quite nice for Stomp the Yard.
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With Blu-ray the best audio quality you can get is the uncompressed Multi-channel PCM which is a very high-quality lossless audio data (usually 48kHz 24 bit), so whenever your receiver shows that you're all set, I wouldn't try to add any processing on top of that. (blu-rays and hd-dvds can have Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio soundtracks which have the same quality as they are also lossless, the only real difference is that uncompressed PCM takes up more space on the disk, but in the case of Blu-ray it doesn't matter, since its capacity is very high, 50GB). You can always check in the back of the blu-ray movies what audio formats they support, some only have Dolby Digital-(Plus/EX) or DTS-(ES) (which are inferior to uncompr multi-ch PCM or Dolby TrueHD/DTS MA), but most new ones have 'uncompressed multi-channel PCM'. So make sure you select that when playing the movie. Hope this helps.
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With Blu-ray the best audio quality you can get is the uncompressed Multi-channel PCM which is a very high-quality lossless audio data (usually 48kHz 24 bit), so whenever your receiver shows that you're all set, I wouldn't try to add any processing on top of that. (blu-rays and hd-dvds can have Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio soundtracks which have the same quality as they are also lossless, the only real difference is that uncompressed PCM takes up more space on the disk, but in the case of Blu-ray it doesn't matter, since its capacity is very high, 50GB). You can always check in the back of the blu-ray movies what audio formats they support, some only have Dolby Digital-(Plus/EX) or DTS-(ES) (which are inferior to uncompr multi-ch PCM or Dolby TrueHD/DTS MA), but most new ones have 'uncompressed multi-channel PCM'. So make sure you select that when playing the movie. Hope this helps.

The funny thing about BR is that I beleive only 1 movie out is currently on a BD50 everything else is on BD25's.
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The funny thing about BR is that I beleive only 1 movie out is currently on a BD50 everything else is on BD25's.
That's definitely not the case, there are many disks out that are BD50, especially the ones released this year.
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They claim to pass 1080p and upscale to 720p. So far it seems to be working but I haven't used it much.
OK...help me out here. Perhaps I am missing something.

I have a KDL-46XBR2, an HD-XA2, an SA 8300HD, and an XBox360. (All HDMI except for the XBox.....and all HDMI 1.3 except for the 8300HD).

So, am I to understand that, if I were to buy an HK347, that it would pass all of the HDMI 1.3 information from the XA2 on to the XBR2 and that PQ would be the same as a direct connection?

I am up in the air between the HK347 and the new Onkyos which are spec'd at 1.3a. The only thing that is stopping me from going with the HK is this HDMI issue.



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That's definitely not the case, there are many disks out that are BD50, especially the ones released this year.
Hmm if that is the case they are not promoting it like the HD DVD killer it is supposed to be LOL I know of only 1 disk that was announced on a BD50 disk I can't think of the title currently but I do know it is posted on this site.
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I'm coming late to this thread.

One of my concerncs with the HK AVR247 is its ability to handle 7.1 LPCM. So far, no one has talked about 7.1 channel and it is used with some BD disks today.
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:20 PM   #29  
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I'm having a problem with a couple of things. I wonder if someone can help.

AVR 247
Hitachi 51F520
MTS (local) Digital cable
Sony DVP-NC675P DVD
Paradigm Towers
Velodyne VX-10
Polk surrounds
Soundstage center
Sony PS2

I connect my Sony DVD components and optical to AVR.
Cable TV is composite and s-video and coax to AVR.
PS2 is components and composite audio and optical to AVR.
Then...
AVR is HDMI to Hitachi.
AVR monitor out to Hitachi.
AVR component monitor out to Hitachi.

Two things...

1. I don't get any sound from my cable tv through just my tv. 2. The PS2 won't show any video through the tv, but audio will still come through. Audio comes through everywhere on the receiver no prob. I'm wondering if theres a problem with the monitor out on my amp, or maybe even the inputs on my Hitachi, OR, if I'm just an amatuer idiot who doesn't know how to properly connect A/V equipment up. If anyone can give me a better method on connectivity, given my components, please do. Thanx.
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I should have jumped on one of these receivers when I got the accommodation price of $240. But, alas, I didn't need it as my low end Yamaha suits my needs now for basic movies and music.
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