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Old 07-14-2006, 09:19 PM   #31  
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I love every Bose product I have ever owned. From 901s to Quietcomfort 2 headphones to the Acoustimass 16 system. I will never buy another brand any other brand of speaker and no one will change my mind. The only speakers I wish they would dump are the 161s because they lack bass. They work okay for surrounds though. But I must say, the Lifestyle 48 is the BEST system out there. It sounds great and is a steal for the money.
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I just sold my sony set up of 5 matching speakers (cn550h center, ssmb150 surrounds). I had them for 18 months but i wanted to go smaller for the mains (ssmf550h floorstanders) so i went and bought a whole new setup of Infinity Primus speakers. I kept the M500 subwoofer though. 2 pairs of primus 150's and the C25 center. For about $350 beats the paper cones out of any "lifestyle" system.
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THE ALTERNATIVES:
In the industry, "BOSE" is considered an acronym for "Buy Other Sound Equipment". So in that spirit, I have made it quite simple to shop for an outstanding home theater system using the same $1300 that Bose charges. Again, my opinion on the quote on quote "best speakers" cannot be relied on, nor can anyone else's. Since sound is a subjective quality, no one can answer that question but you. If in fact you are blessed with the inability to decifer Bose speakers from other premium brand speakers, then all the more power to you! I am not trying to promote or upsell you something fancier, nor am I here to play favorites. I'm merely suggesting superior alternatives to the Bose Acoustimass for the same price or less.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
This six-speaker unit costs $1299.99 USD MSRP. From dissecting it, I can tell you it costs $100, no more than $150 tops, to assemble. It performs similarly to a $500 Optimus-Radio Shack surround sound system and is very easily outperformed by a $350 Cambridge Soundworks system. For $1300, there are at least three dozen other configurations from companies such as KEF, PSB, NHT, Mission, Tannoy, Diva, Polk, B&W, Energy, Paradigm, M&K, Infinity, Mirage, Monitor, Jamo, Axiom, nOrh, Anthony Gallo, Dahlquist, Sound Dynamics, Acoustic Research, Phase Technology, Definitive Technology, Wharfdale, Boston Acoustics, and Klipsch that easily outperform all Bose speakers from the 151s to the 901. Bose equipment, even the flagship LifeStyle 50, resembles the sonic performance of the 11-year-old Aiwa minisystem in my garage. For $500, the Wave Radio is an overpriced alarm clock. If you're impressed by it, have a listen to a Henry Kloss radio for a fraction of the price! For $1000, the Bose 3-2-1 can not be described as anything less than a crime against sound reproduction. The message I want everyone to take from this lengthy review is that Bose, like Bang & Olufsen and Nakamichi, sell lifestyle and designer products whose prices are very heavily saturated by image and appeal. They are by no means, no means at all performance products. They have no cost-effectiveness, no bang-for-the-buck value, and draw no respect from any true audio enthusiests. If your goal is to appeal to and impress housewives, then this system gets the job done, but if your goal is high fidelity, high performance, high endurance, upgradeability, and fair market value pricing then I would very highly suggest you look elsewhere. I am by no means an elitist audiophile who touts golden ears about in gross snobbery. I am an audiophile in its purest and most basic form: one who is enthusiastic about high fidelity sound reproduction, which I think we all are to some degree. I've worked in hifi audio/video retail sales before (for two companies that offered Bose), worked on the manufaturing end, and have designed and personally installed home theaters for hundreds of clients of very diverse needs. I have no affiliation or financial ties to any competing speaker companies so I speak out of objectivity and out of a big-brotherly desire to inform those that don't already share my knowledge and experiences. Armed with this knowledge, you are now a more powerful consumer. So on that note, good luck and happy hunting!
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:15 AM   #34  
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THE ALTERNATIVES:
In the industry, "BOSE" is considered an acronym for "Buy Other Sound Equipment". So in that spirit, I have made it quite simple to shop for an outstanding home theater system using the same $1300 that Bose charges. Again, my opinion on the quote on quote "best speakers" cannot be relied on, nor can anyone else's. Since sound is a subjective quality, no one can answer that question but you. If in fact you are blessed with the inability to decifer Bose speakers from other premium brand speakers, then all the more power to you! I am not trying to promote or upsell you something fancier, nor am I here to play favorites. I'm merely suggesting superior alternatives to the Bose Acoustimass for the same price or less.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
This six-speaker unit costs $1299.99 USD MSRP. From dissecting it, I can tell you it costs $100, no more than $150 tops, to assemble. It performs similarly to a $500 Optimus-Radio Shack surround sound system and is very easily outperformed by a $350 Cambridge Soundworks system. For $1300, there are at least three dozen other configurations from companies such as KEF, PSB, NHT, Mission, Tannoy, Diva, Polk, B&W, Energy, Paradigm, M&K, Infinity, Mirage, Monitor, Jamo, Axiom, nOrh, Anthony Gallo, Dahlquist, Sound Dynamics, Acoustic Research, Phase Technology, Definitive Technology, Wharfdale, Boston Acoustics, and Klipsch that easily outperform all Bose speakers from the 151s to the 901. Bose equipment, even the flagship LifeStyle 50, resembles the sonic performance of the 11-year-old Aiwa minisystem in my garage. For $500, the Wave Radio is an overpriced alarm clock. If you're impressed by it, have a listen to a Henry Kloss radio for a fraction of the price! For $1000, the Bose 3-2-1 can not be described as anything less than a crime against sound reproduction. The message I want everyone to take from this lengthy review is that Bose, like Bang & Olufsen and Nakamichi, sell lifestyle and designer products whose prices are very heavily saturated by image and appeal. They are by no means, no means at all performance products. They have no cost-effectiveness, no bang-for-the-buck value, and draw no respect from any true audio enthusiests. If your goal is to appeal to and impress housewives, then this system gets the job done, but if your goal is high fidelity, high performance, high endurance, upgradeability, and fair market value pricing then I would very highly suggest you look elsewhere. I am by no means an elitist audiophile who touts golden ears about in gross snobbery. I am an audiophile in its purest and most basic form: one who is enthusiastic about high fidelity sound reproduction, which I think we all are to some degree. I've worked in hifi audio/video retail sales before (for two companies that offered Bose), worked on the manufaturing end, and have designed and personally installed home theaters for hundreds of clients of very diverse needs. I have no affiliation or financial ties to any competing speaker companies so I speak out of objectivity and out of a big-brotherly desire to inform those that don't already share my knowledge and experiences. Armed with this knowledge, you are now a more powerful consumer. So on that note, good luck and happy hunting!

I love my Bose
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Old 09-18-2007, 12:48 PM   #35  
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I respect the fact that Loves2Watch bothered to share his thoughts on Bose products, and I trust the fact that he's done his industry-related homework. I do think he knows what he's talking about, but I respectfully take issue with both his approach and his self-contradicting writing style.


1.) He's not trying to upsell you anything or playing favorites, but he's doing a helluva good job trashing Bose.

2.) Exaggeration...Claiming a Bose wave radio is an overpriced alarm clock, that a Lifestyle 50 sounds like an Aiwa mini rack system, is ludicrous. I understand and accept the fact that Bose is expensive, and for lack of better terminology, sonically "incorrect" when weighed against more traditional monitor + "real" subwoofer setups, but to go to these lengths is pushing the limits of acceptable comparison.

3.) Copy/pasting this lengthy slam into multiple threads with questionable relevance - it seems Bose comes up and this text gets heaved into the thread, verbatim. This to me seems like an agenda - or a "stance" or beef against Bose and those who buy their products. Yes I did read that "if you can't decipher the sonic differences" between Bose and some "equivalent setup", more power to you, but I read between those lines that you're not lucky, you're just not dedicated enough or savvy enough to knowing the difference, which to me, is a masked insult to people who "settle" for Bose.

4.) Claiming that the write up will "make it easy to find alternative $1300 systems" when in fact all we did was rattle off brand names. I'm sure many HTiB'ers are strongly biased to their setups or the manufacturer of their setup. And I do know that there are good systems out there for $1300 that don't carry the Bose name. But I'm not convinced that $1300 systems sound so great either, and I'm definitely sure they don't all make Bose sound like dog poo either. The Bose 3-2-1 system is an OK sounding system. I'd certainly choose it over any of my TV speakers. But no, I don't think it outclasses a decent 5.1 setup. No question.

5.) Bose not drawing any respect from "true audio enthusiests" - let me tell you, I know some real true audio enthusiasts, owners of $40K speaker pairs for example, who laugh at all of us Home Theater-o-philes. Anything other than 2 channel sound is amusing to them - a gimmick if you will, no matter what the cost, no matter if it's Bose or B&W. So respect will come and go - it only matters if you like what you hear and you feel you're getting a good value. Not what your friends think when they come over. And certainly not a bunch of internet guys chatting it up on a forum. People are so obsessed these days with what the next guy thinks of your gear. Forget all that.

There is no question that Bose is not considered affordable, especially when considering their 501, 701, and 901 (and higher end Lifestyle) setups. But with that, some people don't get that not everyone wants to shop around for components and speakers, and be worried about power needs, voice matching, imaging, and the like. Some people still buy into the advertising and the Bose outlets. I think it's fair to say that Bose deserves a LOT of credit for introducing what surround sound even IS or how it might alter one's viewing experience from the traditional TV-sound-only setups still found in a lot of living rooms across the world. The fact is many people want to trust in a name and they want clear, robust sound - forget sonically correct, forget big bulky speakers - for some people there is no other way. Bose takes all the thinking out of it. That's not a crime - That's the way some consumers want it, and they'll pay to NOT think about it the way we do.

FYI - I'm not defending my Bose Acoustimass setup in my 2nd bedroom. It is most definitely an auxilary setup strictly used for gaming and the occasional late night TV watching when the wife is watching something she likes in the living room (or vice versa). I received the AM cubes for free, so I have no agenda to defend my expense, as there was no expense. I may very well replace them with other more traditional monitors, but its not a priority.

I guess in summary, I don't like when people (not specifically Loves2Watch) make it their mission to trash Bose when it's just that Bose isn't for them. Bose not being for you is your perogative and your god-given right to choose and express opinions. I just don't like the bandwagon negative mentality surrounding Bose products. They're a mass-targeted product line with definite appeal to the less discerning listener. If you have the money and you don't want to overthink every aspect of your purchase, I think it's a fair choice and you should'n't be made to feel like an imbecile for choosing that path.

And Loves2Watch, plz don't take my post personally - I'm not trying to trash yours, just responding to it.

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Old 09-18-2007, 01:00 PM   #36  
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Excellent summary and advice, Love2Watch.
Might also be worth mentioning there are other lesser known internet companies, like the aforementioned Cambridge Soundworks and Axiom, like www.av123.com and several others who produce very reasonably priced systems with the main objective * audio performance *.

This is one way to keep cost down and still get quality audio if maybe not always meeting the WAF crtieria for the smallest or sleekest cabinets, etc.

But not everyone is that concerned with AQ. Which I suppose could also mean 'adequate quality' to some folks.

Hopefully everyone used their own eyes for selecting their display, you can do the same with your ears. You might be surprised at what you hear.
For me, the audio performance of fine movie, or even a good HD program is at least half the experience. But that's not everyone's cup of java.
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The biggest problem that I find w/ Bose, and it isn't really the sound...because the audio is clean. Most small speakers are NOT going to give a full range sound anyway, but it is because they are propietary.

All of their systems, once purchased are outdated or you can't add on to them. They are the most difficult product to work w/. Bang & Olfson are very simular, they have their own system (cables, plugs, crossovers, etc.) and if you want to upgrade, you have to throw the entire system away and start over again.
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5.) Bose not drawing any respect from "true audio enthusiests" - let me tell you, I know some real true audio enthusiasts, owners of $40K speaker pairs for example, who laugh at all of us Home Theater-o-philes. Anything other than 2 channel sound is amusing to them - a gimmick if you will, no matter what the cost, no matter if it's Bose or B&W. So respect will come and go - it only matters if you like what you hear and you feel you're getting a good value.
I doubt those folks would even consider posting on this forum. And as most of us who have good quality systems know, unless you have a huge bonus from your employer, you 'build' a good system over time. If the interest is there. You can only lead a horse to water....
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Loves2Watch - is this your website?

http://www.intellexual.net/index.html
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I doubt those folks would even consider posting on this forum. And as most of us who have good quality systems know, unless you have a huge bonus from your employer, you 'build' a good system over time. If the interest is there. You can only lead a horse to water....
You're right, those guys probably wouldn't post here. But my point is that purchasing an audio system shouldn't be about what the other guy thinks, regardless of budget, brand, or application.

Also - I think some people build systems. Some want to buy it all at once for under $1000 or even under $500. I am from the build class. I like to put systems together. So I would never buy Bose, or any other HTiB setup, because I like doing the research, reading good, objective comparisons. I don't think the Bose "review" was a review at all - just a smattering of thoughts and disdain, albeit somwhat earned by Bose. And for the record, the reason I asked if Loves2Watch operated that website, is that he either copied parts directly out of someone elses review (found on that domain), which BTW had excellent sound comparisons, charts, etc., or it's his site, in which case, he should simply link to the whole review, which in it's entirety is a far more complete analysis.
IF the review is someone elses work, then i'd just like to say that parroting someone elses thoughts to "spread" the word is quite lame. But I emphasize, IF. I give people the benefit of the doubt and I'm hoping that's his review.
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You're right, those guys probably wouldn't post here. But my point is that purchasing an audio system shouldn't be about what the other guy thinks, regardless of budget, brand, or application.
I did not quite take it that way, after all he does suggest numerous alternatives. I took it as just a personal opinion not trying to sway anyone..I think it is general knowledge most who have heard Bose and alternatives, do NOT prefer Bose.

But nice job on the 'research' Red..I did wonder why M&K was listed since they are now defunct, but may actually be in the process of resurrection at a plant in China. Of course, nothing wrong with buying 'used' quality speakers.

Then when I clicked the link I noticed the article is almost 3 years old, although the general opinions on Bose probably have not changed much.
I agree, it should just have been a link to an 'interesting opinion' on Bose, which he cared to share. That would have been a little more up-front.
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Me grew up with Bose speakers and had a high regard for them. Mostly the early 301's and 901's coupled with a decent pre-amp and amp. They sounded great at the time. But lately Bose seems to be more apt at marketing and selling instead of actually selling a quality system. When you see Bose selling it's systems on late night tv alongside the "Video professor" and other info-idiot commercials it taints their once known "audiophile" reputation. Me has had and enjoyed Bose speakers for years, but they have been replaced by JBL monitor series, and lately B&W speakers. Me arsenal even includes Jensen speakers - which sound great - but cannot reach the richness of B&W.

The lass and meself sat through a Bose demonstration at a local Bose outlet store recently. Although it sounded good - it was loud - and uncomfortable - but we both agreed it did not compare to what we already have. The acoustmass was loud but not as discerning as the B&W speakers we currently use (B&W 602 SIII) with JBL surrounds and B&W center with a JBL sub. The big difference we both noted was that Bose had to pump the power and be loud, almost annoying, where the B&W's + the JBL's deliver the power but can equally deliver sound without the boom.

In short, Bose at one time delivered a great speaker. But today, Bose has relegated themselves to being a K-Mart brand trying to off themselves as a Cadillac. They may perform, but for the same money, a discerning consumer can have so much better.
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Me grew up with Bose speakers and had a high regard for them. Mostly the early 301's and 901's coupled with a decent pre-amp and amp. They sounded great at the time. But lately Bose seems to be more apt at marketing and selling instead of actually selling a quality system. When you see Bose selling it's systems on late night tv alongside the "Video professor" and other info-idiot commercials it taints their once known "audiophile" reputation. Me has had and enjoyed Bose speakers for years, but they have been replaced by JBL monitor series, and lately B&W speakers. Me arsenal even includes Jensen speakers - which sound great - but cannot reach the richness of B&W.

The lass and meself sat through a Bose demonstration at a local Bose outlet store recently. Although it sounded good - it was loud - and uncomfortable - but we both agreed it did not compare to what we already have. The acoustmass was loud but not as discerning as the B&W speakers we currently use (B&W 602 SIII) with JBL surrounds and B&W center with a JBL sub. The big difference we both noted was that Bose had to pump the power and be loud, almost annoying, where the B&W's + the JBL's deliver the power but can equally deliver sound without the boom.

In short, Bose at one time delivered a great speaker. But today, Bose has relegated themselves to being a K-Mart brand trying to off themselves as a Cadillac. They may perform, but for the same money, a discerning consumer can have so much better.
well said my man. I like the B&W 6-series (AND the BMW 6-series ironically.)

My father-in-law has been sporting B&W 703's for a while. Gorgeous sounding speakers. My Earthquake towers are in the same class as the B&W 6 series, IMO. I like very much. My B&W sub is departing soon, leaving for my father's setup. That's my last piece of B&W hardware
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In my experience speaker products with an audience have an audience because people are satisfied with them. I won't comment on Bose myself since I don't have any and never have but I will tell you that only a handful of existing speaker companies have been around any longer than they have. Altec, JBL, Tannoy and Klipsch are older than Bose. I can't think of any others at the moment but there wouldn't be many. I remember very well all the excitement about the 901 when it was first introduced in the early 60's. It was a long time ago.

If they've been around that long, they are doing something right.
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Here's a straight forward answer, "BECAUSE THEY SUCK!". We sell Bose not because of sound quality but because people want them.

Now there's a professional response.
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