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Cerwin Vega XLS-28 or BIC Acoustech PL-89II

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Old 10-18-2013, 06:09 AM   #1  
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Default Cerwin Vega XLS-28 or BIC Acoustech PL-89II

Hello Folks,

I need some clarity regarding my speaker choices - I am torn between these two - the Cerwin Vega XLS-28s or the BIC PL89II.

A few notes:
-- I already own the BIC Acoustech PL-200 sub.
-- Budget for fronts L/R: $700 Max
-- Home theater to be used for movies & music (mainly classical, smooth jazz, world music - reggae, soca)

Thanks and the best - Punda Smith


Pertinent specs are below:

Cerwin Vega XLS-28
  • 1" Soft Dome Tweeter with Ferro Fluid
  • 6.5" Woofer with Fiber Impregnated Cone
  • Dual 8" Cast Frame High Excursion Woofer
  • Proprietary Mid and High Frequency Waveguide
  • Fuse Protection
  • Elegant Black-Ash Enclosure

Performance Data:
  • Frequency Response
  • 45 Hz - 20 kHz (-3 dB)
  • 38 Hz - 20 kHz (-10 dB)
  • Power Capacity: 200 watts (Peak )
  • Sensitivity in SPL: 89.8 dB (@ 8 ohms @ 1 meter full)
  • Impedance: 6 ohms
  • Crossover Frequencies: 380 Hz / 2.4 kHz



BIC Acoustech PL-89II
  • Design: Video-shielded 250-watt (600-watt peak) two-way horn tower with dual 8" woofers.
  • Frequency Response: 25Hz - 23kHz
  • Sensitivity: 98dB @ 1 watt, 1 meter
  • Drivers: Two high power 8" poly-injected woofers with butyl rubber surrounds, one 6 1/2" mid/high frequency aluminum dome horn with neodymium magnet.
  • Magnetic Shielding: YES
  • Gold-Plated Terminals:YES
  • Recommended Power: 10-250 watts per channel RMS, 600 watts peak power.
  • Impedance: 8 ohms
  • Dimensions: 43"H x 11"W x 10"D
  • Weight: 48 lbs. (15.9 kg.) Each
  • Warranty: Extended 8 Year Parts & Labor
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:19 AM   #2  
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at $700 budget for the front speakers that opens up a lot of choice (imo many better ones), any reason you are locked in on those two?
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:33 AM   #3  
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Well, I have the BIC Acoustech sub (the PL-200) already, and was hoping to match the rest of the system with it.

Re the Cerwin Vega's I was going to pay $650 (for the pair) through zzounds installment program (split into 4) and have access to the speakers now. In that sense, convenience is a factor. But then, if I can have access to better speakers, then I can wait, raise the money in about two months, and get a nice Thanksgiving or Xmas present for myself.

I just bought the Denon X4000 - which I believe is a good foundation to build my HT, hence a good set of speakers would equally be nice.

Any suggestions in my price range?
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It is important to match the front soundstage (Left , right, center) so they will have the same timbre but the sub really doesn't matter (for matching) as it is for nonlocalized low frequencies and timbre match isn't important. For surrounds it is recommended to match if you can but not nearly as important as the front soundstage.

Here is an example of something which IMHO is leaps and bounds better in sound quality and build than either of what you mentioned

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Paradigm-SE-...#ht_1742wt_596

although on ebay they are brand new from wholesaler
(you can also get them in black if you prefer)


here is another from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882325015

or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16882325025R

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA2GA0V84553

These are all floorstanding if you need bookshelf or smaller let me know.

Any of those would be significantly better sound quality than what you had listed.

Are you planning on adding a center and surrounds at some point. In HT the center channel is typically the most important as it is where the dialog comes from and has ~80% of program content (sound) funneled through it. YOu can try and put together a bundled package or start with the fronts then add a center and then surrounds as budget allows.

If you can wait a month or two and have ~$700 cash in hand to start with I highly recommend that as deals like what I showed are readily available year round and as holidays approach may be even more plentiful.
If you need any more help post back - JK

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Old 10-18-2013, 08:03 AM   #5  
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Thanks very much for the sage advice. I agree with you and it would make sense to wait a bit. I like the Paradigms - my first HT included Paradigms: a pair of Titans, CC150 and PDR 10 before they got destroyed in a flood/fire. And I did like them. So, I would seriously consider them.

The Definitive's are however really sleek - I would have to check out their specs

Between both: the suggested Paradigms and Definitive's what would you recommend?

cheers, PS
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I prefer paradigms (I have a 7.1 paradigm HT) & the SE edition has been getting fantastic reviews as it has a lot of 'trickle down' from the Paradigm Reference line - essentially paradigm reference drivers in a monitor like special edition cabinet.
Def Techs are no slouch either and perform admirably and yes they are sleek. IMO Paradigms are a little better/ accurate through the midrange while the def techs seem to have a little deeper soundstage. You can't lose either way .
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Thanks again .... how does the SE 3s to the Monitor 7. I spoke to the fellow selling the SE3 (happens to live close to me), he has a few of the blacks in stock, and I will go and listen. Is this a very good deal for the set or worth waiting for the thanksgiving holiday for other prospects?
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Similar with a slight edge in flat response to the SE3 (supposedly the crossovers are of higher quality as well). I don't know what current 'street prices ' are but that is below MAP pricing and less than what I paid for my Titan Monitor v5 pair.
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please, what is MAP (dealer cost) and how different is it from MSRP?

And I thank you for the reference -- it has really great reviews ...and it is supposedly made in USA. Though my budget is 700, I can justify an additional $200, if the price point is right. Anyway to find out the street price and how it compares with MAP?
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please, what is MAP (dealer cost) and how different is it from MSRP?

And I thank you for the reference -- it has really great reviews ...and it is supposedly made in USA. Though my budget is 700, I can justify an additional $200, if the price point is right. Anyway to find out the street price and how it compares with MAP?
MAP is Manufacturers Advertised Pricing - it is similar to MSRP except that authorized dealers are not supposed to be allowed to advertise lower pricing than that.
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please, what is MAP (dealer cost) and how different is it from MSRP?

And I thank you for the reference -- it has really great reviews ...and it is supposedly made in USA. Though my budget is 700, I can justify an additional $200, if the price point is right. Anyway to find out the street price and how it compares with MAP?
My bad it listed as a pair (didn't realize it was 450 each but must buy in a pair - I would see if you can find cheaper but even then list is $1500+ per pair) also comes in a smaller bookshelf model the SE1. FWIW WHen I upgrade my titan monitor set-up it will be to the SE3.

Also If somebody actually has a place you can demo them the Monitor 7 for less money certainly aren't a bad choice (you may not hear a difference) the cabinetry although is nicer on the SE line.
Don't go broke trying to do this the deft= techs are certainly great speakers and do come in at your price range. I am partial to paradigm but they aren't the only solution . I just knew at that budget you can do much better than bic or cer veg. Our resident audio guru sadly passed away a year or so ago and his presence here is sorely missed.

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Thanks, again ... advice well taken. I will demo the speakers and then decide. Certainly, I agree, there is a lot more (and better) around that price range, so I will be gloating for the SE3s, while I consider my choices ..., and I have to think about the center speaker too - what would be the preferable center for the SE3s - SECenter?

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Thanks, again ... advice well taken. I will demo the speakers and then decide. Certainly, I agree, there is a lot more (and better) around that price range, so I will be gloating for the SE3s, while I consider my choices ..., and I have to think about the center speaker too - what would be the preferable center for the SE3s - SECenter?

cheers, PS
Yea if you are going to go with the SE3 I would do a SE center and you could probably do atom monitor's for the surrounds to save a little dough as they are just effects and ambient surround noises - just get them in the same trim/color as the SE and you're all set. It isn't to difficult to do 2 fronts , a few months later when funds allow do the center and then a few months later the surrounds as they'll last a long time. My Titan Monitors were out before the SE line was introduced or I would have gone that route. 5 1/2 years old and they look and sound as they did on day 1 (well actually sound as they did after about 40 hours break-in time)
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Frankly, I agree. I just checked the cost of the SE Center, and I can wait for a few months and get that later. My original plan was to spend the $700 on the mains and the additional for the center.

But it is better to go incrementally, getting the best you can at a time. I still have my old center (CC150) - got it in 1999 - in Toronto. It survived the fire that routed my previous apartment, and still kicking. so, I will use it for a while, until I can get more dough.

So, yes, I will take a demo, and if I like it, will grab the pair - he only has limited quantity though, so will try to get in tomorrow..... unless you throw a wrench in my plans by suggesting a competing model at that price range ($900).
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Default Bought the Paradigm SE 3s

Hello...

Thanks for all your assistance from yesterday.

I ordered the SE 3s, in the Rosenut color. And will pick them up either today or Monday.

My next purchase will the be the SE Center. He only has 3 in stock (in Rosenut color)... so I will try and get him to reserve one for me.

Thanks again, and will update once I have everything set up ...

/PS

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