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Old 02-23-2011, 02:35 PM   #16  
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Or you can look at Jamos from Vanns.

You will likely use less than 10 watts per channel regardless of what your AVR can do. Think about it, average speakers are 90 db/w/m and most people listen between 75-85 dbs. If you're mid way (10-12 feet) into the room 1 watt will net 78 dbs with one speaker not counting room gain. Add in the L C R, now you're at 78 dbs. Add room gain and you're over 80 dbs! That's at 1 watt per speaker! You're not likely to hit reference levels in that room, especially with satellite speakers, but it will still be loud. If you look at a speaker that is larger, and more sensitive, then you can reach beyond what you would even care to hear.
Jamo, Energy and Klipsch are the same company, but the speakers do NOT sound the same. They are all great quality, and Jamo/Energy have a better bang per buck usually due to name brand. Just FYI.
I think you will be happy with any of those for a while, but the upgrade bug hits even the most expensive set ups, but that's what this is all about. Good luck and let us know how you like those KEFs!
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Or you can look at Jamos from Vanns.

You will likely use less than 10 watts per channel regardless of what your AVR can do.
Cool.. The next time I look at a receiver, I going for the 1 with a max RMS of 3watts per channel.. Should save me a ton of money..

ust noticed these Def Techs just came back onsale today for $399 (were $499). I would go with them over the Energy and HD 500's.. But again, not buy any long shot..

http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Tec...pr_product_top

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Cool.. The next time I look at a receiver, I going for the 1 with a max RMS of 3watts per channel.. Should save me a ton of money..
http://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Tec...pr_product_top
Make sure you look for the one with at least 10 watts RMS per channel.

Do you disagree?
By now most audio enthusiasts are aware of this phenomena. Tube amps are very low wattage, typically, and most find them sufficient. Or, like my Audiosource AMP100, which is 50 watts per channel, can drive my Jamos to reference SPL at less than 30 watts in a larger room than the OPs. That's 95 dbs, double the loudness than most people will tolerate while simply viewing TV.

Or a $500 DIY sub that can easily deliver reference +10 for 20hz and above with a mere 25 watts!

Just saying....

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Old 02-23-2011, 10:33 PM   #19  
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Would you guys recommend the kefs over the def teks still, those look pretty nice. The jamos speakers you mentioned, are they the floor speakers? I have some time to think about because i can't decide between the 3d gt25 50in or the g25 54in for a little more. Wife really wants the 3d but I was leaning towards the bigger screen.

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I originally purchased the Jamo S406HCS1. That includes 2 floor standers, center and bookshelf surrounds for $250, then it was reduced to $199. If they still offer it, its by far the cheapest and greatest system sub $500 that I tested. It does NOT include a sub though. They offer 5.1 systems that have 4 bookshelf, center and a sub for around the same money. I would highly recommend those over any satellite system I've heard by far.
Def Tech are nice as well, maybe a bit higher on the list than the KEFs, IMO, but both are very nice.
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No luck finding the s406,they are all sold out as far as could find. The more I think about it the more I want to go bigger then satilite speakers. I did come across the jamos s426hcs3 for 380 bucks. Would those be worth considering. And for the front speakers if I go with floor speakers I had planed on puting them in the front corners. Would I need to angle those towards the center of room or could I leave them flush against wall. And for the 5.1 shelve speakers you recomended all I could find were the a320 hc56 for 412 bucks, how do these compare to the kefs and def teks. In case it makes a difference the room iam in is 20 by 10, but the four corner speakers are gonna be placed in a 10 by 12 area because of how the room is shaped and the couch is pretty close to the back wall so iam not quite sure about placement of rear speakers. Thanks
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No luck finding the s406,they are all sold out as far as could find. The more I think about it the more I want to go bigger then satilite speakers. I did come across the jamos s426hcs3 for 380 bucks. Would those be worth considering. And for the front speakers if I go with floor speakers I had planed on puting them in the front corners. Would I need to angle those towards the center of room or could I leave them flush against wall. And for the 5.1 shelve speakers you recomended all I could find were the a320 hc56 for 412 bucks, how do these compare to the kefs and def teks. In case it makes a difference the room iam in is 20 by 10, but the four corner speakers are gonna be placed in a 10 by 12 area because of how the room is shaped and the couch is pretty close to the back wall so iam not quite sure about placement of rear speakers. Thanks
It is always recommended to place speakers away from the wall by at least 12" and it is suggested to angle them towards the listening area for a better "sweet-spot" and a separation of approximately 8' to create a better soundfield.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:15 AM   #23  
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Thanks riz, for my setup do you think satilite/bookshelves will be sufficient. I don't want to skimp on the sound. I would like to keep it at 400 but am open to suggestions
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Thanks riz, for my setup do you think satilite/bookshelves will be sufficient. I don't want to skimp on the sound. I would like to keep it at 400 but am open to suggestions
The satellites are quite nice unless you intend on playing your system at reference levels Then I would consider going bigger. If you click on the speakers in my signature you'll see what I'm talking about.
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What exactly are refrence levels. Are there any speakers in my price range that would come close
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Reference level explaination: most AVR when adjusting the Volumn it will show as Minus to 0 and then it goes to plus levels. ZERO is reference point. When your adjusteing your volumn levels you'll notice that as you turn it up the indicators on your AVR will be shown as going down (while the sound is actually getting louder). I don't know if you can get what I mean by this ?
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Exactly, to be more precise 0 on most AVRs is equal to 95 dbs. That's what movie theaters are usually delivering. Some AVRs reference 0 as 85 dbs. Regardless, the smaller the space the better chance you'll obtain reference. The average person can only distinguish an increase or decrease of 3 dbs. 10 dbs is like doubling the sound level. Most people listen at home around 75-85 dbs. So let's say you're comfortable at 75 dbs, but you want to impress some friends with your set up, you crank from -20 dbs (actually 75) to -19, you likely will not notice any change, but you kick it to -10 and several things happen. You have doubled the sound, you have made the system use 4-5 times the power and now you're closer to movie theater experience. Push it to 0 and you're there, provided several other things are in place. Your speakers need to be able to produce the sound in your room to that level (i.e. Maximum consistent wattage) and your AVR needs to have enough power to do so (I.e. Enough watts per channel at very low distortion). I hope I haven't confused you, or wrote something not factual.
Satellite speakers have a shortfall by having a higher frequency response than bookshelf and floor standers because cone size is limited. Take a satellite speaker with a 2.5" cone and 1/2" tweeter, the response may be 160 hz-20 khz. It can't play any sound below 160 hz without being quieter than the normal FR (frequency response). Now, a bookshelf with say 5 1/2 cone and 1" tweeter may have a FR of 80hz-20khz, allowing good range. This allows you to set a crossover (the hz point at which the AVR sends the sub woofer the low frequencies) to say 90 hz, and you have a greater chance of not knowing where the sub is and your sound will be more seamless. This is a goal most audio people shoot for, seamless sound stage.
If you're watching Iron Man, and an explosion is made, you don't want to KNOW it came from that box tucked in a corner, and if properly set up, you won't know.
I recommend bookshelf at the minimum for front mains, but floor standers are better. Satellite speakers are good for surrounds, but have a hard time to complete as front L and R and Center.
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Thanks guys I understand it now. What would be a good choice for floor speaker surround sound in my price range. I trust your opinions. I want a good theater experiance and would probally regret the satilites eventually so might as well do it right the first time. I wish I could find those jamos in stock somewhere. I guess I might consider some good bookshelves also. Sorry I keep going with this, just so many options
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Thanks guys I understand it now. What would be a good choice for floor speaker surround sound in my price range. I trust your opinions. I want a good theater experiance and would probally regret the satilites eventually so might as well do it right the first time. I wish I could find those jamos in stock somewhere. I guess I might consider some good bookshelves also. Sorry I keep going with this, just so many options

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If you are now considering floorstanding speakers, Aperion is the best I have ever checked out.. But well out of your $300-$400 price range, the Jamo 606's for $400 is a good setup, especially for the price and the best your gonna do IMO unless you up the pot a bit.. I would spend a little more and WELL worth the price uprade over the 406's.

http://www.amazon.com/Jamo-HCS-speak...sr=8-1-catcorr


But now that you said you want to "do it rite the 1st time"... These KEF's are definately "rite the 1st time".. But $999.. Will make the Jamo's sound like Spamo's.. But if that is too far out of your range, the 606's will work quite well and should be very pleased.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...Package/1.html


I would go to a place that has a good mid-high end audio listening room. Listen to a fine 5.1 sat package like the Def Tech's, Paradighm, Mirage or KEF's. I think you will be shocked on how good and full your SS/music experience will be with them. When my friends/family come over and I crank some stuff, they are floored on how much clear, loud sound comes out of those tiny speakers.. I mean floored. If your looking for a clean look and possibly wall mounting, don't rule them out. But if bigger speakers are fine, definately compare a good set of floor standing speakers..Best overall sound accuracy no doubt. But IMO, don't skimp.

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