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Old 01-22-2010, 01:42 PM   #16  
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speaker wire can make a big difference but it would be wrong to assume that expensive speaker cable is always better speaker cable. there are some things to consider like length and guage but also how much shielding you want. its also good to make sure you have good connection/contact between speakers and amp.

i've seen and heard differences in cable but its pointless to argue with the likes of Loves2watch. what you should do is go to some audio/video stores and see if someone will demo cables for you and see if you can tell a difference for yourself.

Loves2watch, you publish any papers on this research? did you test cables while introducing RF interference?
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speaker wire can make a big difference but it would be wrong to assume that expensive speaker cable is always better speaker cable. there are some things to consider like length and guage but also how much shielding you want. its also good to make sure you have good connection/contact between speakers and amp.

i've seen and heard differences in cable but its pointless to argue with the likes of Loves2watch. what you should do is go to some audio/video stores and see if someone will demo cables for you and see if you can tell a difference for yourself.

Loves2watch, you publish any papers on this research? Yes, several. did you test cables while introducing RF interference? Yes, I did that as well.
Shielding is another matter altogether and not really what we were discussing here. A $5.00 cable with reasonable shielding will operate every bit as well as a $1000 cable all other things being equal.
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Not sure you guys saw my post because it was last on first page:

Do you believe that speaker wire and IC's can change the sound? Believe it or not, I've heard expensive IC's that I didn't like as much as cheaper IC's. So, can they change the sound in a system given that everything else (source, amp, preamp, speakers, etc.) are the same?
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Shielding is another matter altogether and not really what we were discussing here. A $5.00 cable with reasonable shielding will operate every bit as well as a $1000 cable all other things being equal.
i think it is what was being discussed.. and by your answer it seems that theres more to it than copper and electrons. a good example is hospital equipment - go into any ICU and take a look at the cables on ventilators, heart rate monitors, automated drips... all that stuff has beefy cables and most of it is power conditioned as well.
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i think it is what was being discussed.. and by your answer it seems that theres more to it than copper and electrons. a good example is hospital equipment - go into any ICU and take a look at the cables on ventilators, heart rate monitors, automated drips... all that stuff has beefy cables and most of it is power conditioned as well.
But we are not talking about a commercial environment where a multitude of high power drawing equipment will be used, we are talking about a home where even if it is setup like mine with six separate power amps I draw nowhere near the current not have anywhere near the interference due to other non-standard equipment being used in very close proximity. Quit attempting to make this come out as you want it by tainting this discussion with irrelevant comparisons, compare apples to apples which is what I have done and continue to do.

BTW, hospital equipment like X-ray machines, CAT Scanners, MRI machines, heart monitors and such operate at much different frequencies and draw 10 times or more the power that home audio equipment does. And lastly, most equipment used in hospitals is 240 volt and sometimes even 3 phase. Not a valid comparison at all.
Just where are the speaker wires in a hospital anyway, in the ceiling? 22 gauge? Yeppers, that is correct...

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Not sure you guys saw my post because it was last on first page:

Do you believe that speaker wire and IC's can change the sound? Believe it or not, I've heard expensive IC's that I didn't like as much as cheaper IC's. So, can they change the sound in a system given that everything else (source, amp, preamp, speakers, etc.) are the same?
A different IC could certainly change the sound. Speaker wire, extremely doubtful.
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But we are not talking about a commercial environment where a multitude of high power drawing equipment will be used, we are talking about a home where even if it is setup like mine with six separate power amps I draw nowhere near the current not have anywhere near the interference due to other non-standard equipment being used in very close proximity. Quit attempting to make this come out as you want it by tainting this discussion with irrelevant comparisons, compare apples to apples which is what I have done and continue to do.

BTW, hospital equipment like X-ray machines, CAT Scanners, MRI machines, heart monitors and such operate at much different frequencies and draw 10 times or more the power that home audio equipment does. And lastly, most equipment used in hospitals is 240 volt and sometimes even 3 phase. Not a valid comparison at all.
Just where are the speaker wires in a hospital anyway, in the ceiling? 22 gauge? Yeppers, that is correct...
Well said, L2W! There are plenty of companies out there that try to make you think you need shielded speaker wires to protect against all this EMF running crazy in the world. I guess I need shielded wires because I have power lines running on the back of my property... the EMF from those alone could affect the analog signal to my speakers.. oh no!

Unless a person has a lot of pump motor and high current switching device power cables running in near proximity to their speaker wires, then shielding is not necessary.

I have been on several installs where the houses were pre-wired for surround sound... the builder used.. 18 - 20 gauge speaker wire! *cough cough* at least it they gave me somethign to pull the real wire with!
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FYI on speaker wire. There are many people who feel that Roger Russel isn't the be all, end all of speaker wire. To be honest, I think it's naive to believe that there isn't a difference between wires that cost thosands of dollars and wires that cost 3 dollars. Same goes for interconnects...you can hook up a system with IC's that cost hundreds fo dollars, or the crappy ones that came with yoru VCR back in 1989. Both produce sound, but is it better? I'd say it is from what I've heard. Again, the question is, is it WORTH it? My answer is no, but many people feel it is...and not just rich people who throw their money around. If you're interested, PM me, and I'll forward you a link to another forum that had a big discussion on speaker wire and Roger Russell...it was very interesting.

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Roger is in fact one of the preeminent audio engineers in the world, and McIntosh Audio has been an outstanding company wit amazing products for at least the 40 years or so that I have been a customer. The folks who do not think Roger knows what he is talking about are morons. If you just use well manufactured wire in a gauge that is appropriate for the distance of your run, you will do fine. I have tested lamp cord, cheap 18g Phillips wire from Walmart and Monster on short runs of 15 feet or less and I cannot tell the difference, and I have excellent hearing. In electrical and audio engineering, quality is defined as fitness for intended use. Lamp cord is perfectly fit for this use, and by more expensive wire will not improve performance, any more than wiring your house with 8g conductor will make your appliances run better. You will have exceeded the point of diminishing returns.
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