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Old 07-08-2005, 08:47 PM   #1  
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Default Samsung DLP's and video lag

i have been looking for a DLP for a while now and found a 42" samsung DLP that i liked... but a poster on here brought it to my attention that the Samsung DLP's have video lag when playing video games on them... i called samsung and they confirmed this


my question is, do other brands of DLP have the same problem and if not does anyone know of one about the same price as the samsung.. i have found it for around $2000

BTW i don't want an off brand

i would be greatful for any help you can give me
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Old 07-09-2005, 08:57 AM   #2  
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I love your online name (Peaceful Dragon)...check my email address.

Back to business... Are you only interested in DLPs, what about RP LCDs? Personally, I prefer LCDs, but to each their own. I do believe other DLP units suffer from "video lag," but I primarly read about issues related to Samsung models. I also read that the issue is caused by the set having to convert the signal to its native resolution (i.e. if the signal is 1080i and the set has a native resolution of 720p, it must convert the signal to 720p first); however, I don't really believe that is the sole reason...mainly because I have yet to hear of the problem being related to other sets (i.e. RP LCDs) or much from other DLP brands (besides Samsung).

If you would be interested in LCDs, check out the upcoming Sonys... http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5980

If you want to remain with DLP sets, I have read a couple people on these boards praise their underdog RCA DLP sets and Toshiba also makes DLP units.
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Video lag is not exclusively a Samsung problem. It depends on video format conversion time, which also depends on what the in & out formats are. Feed your HDTV it's native 720p res and no conversion occurs, so there is no delay.
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i asked this in the other topic but.... the new xbox 360 will be a 720p signal... and the DLP i'm looking at is 720p... i will have no video lag???
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No conversion, no conversion delay.
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No conversion, no conversion delay.
This is not true. I am in the process of returning my Samsung HLR5667W because the lag while playing MVP 2004 (a 720p game) is unbearable. I just got off the phone with SAmsung support and they acknowledge that there is a lag with video game consoles connected to their DLP TV's and it is not dependent on the resolution of the game. I hate that I am forced to return this set. Except for the lag, I love the set. But it is used about half of the time for gaming and any game that has a precision meter in it (MVP 2004, kicking meters in any football game, power meter in FIFA 2005) is just not even worth playing.
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Are you SURE you're viewing a 720p/60 signal via Component cables? Why would any processing be needed for a native signal?
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Are you SURE you're viewing a 720p/60 signal via Component cables? Why would any processing be needed for a native signal?
Yes. There is an info button on my remote that tells me the type of signal that I am getting. I understand all the theory that you are stating about how there shouldn't be any lag if the set is being fed a 720p signal. I am just telling it like I am experiencing it. I have my old CRT 30" TV right next to my new DLP and have gone back and forth between the two just to make sure I am not imagining the lag. Unfortunately, it is there. Check out Samsung's support site. The have a FAQ page that addresses this issue. Basically it says that there will be lag with video games on their DLP sets.
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Yes. There is an info button on my remote that tells me the type of signal that I am getting. I understand all the theory that you are stating about how there shouldn't be any lag if the set is being fed a 720p signal. I am just telling it like I am experiencing it. I have my old CRT 30" TV right next to my new DLP and have gone back and forth between the two just to make sure I am not imagining the lag. Unfortunately, it is there. Check out Samsung's support site. The have a FAQ page that addresses this issue. Basically it says that there will be lag with video games on their DLP sets.
I knew I wasn't crazy. I will look into it more, but perhaps it has something to do with DLP's wheels...the wheel can not display an instant image; regardless, of how fast it is.

But as others have stated, the only time I have heard of "video lag," it was related to Samsung (and a little bit was directed to DLPs in general).
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Yes. There is an info button on my remote that tells me the type of signal that I am getting. I understand all the theory that you are stating about how there shouldn't be any lag if the set is being fed a 720p signal. I am just telling it like I am experiencing it. I have my old CRT 30" TV right next to my new DLP and have gone back and forth between the two just to make sure I am not imagining the lag. Unfortunately, it is there. Check out Samsung's support site. The have a FAQ page that addresses this issue. Basically it says that there will be lag with video games on their DLP sets.
I am sorry for your video lag problem, but glad you are posting it here on this thread, so others could see what I had read elsewhere. I didn't want to go searching for other posts on other furoms that stated the same thing you did.

Do you have a link to that faq that mentions the video lag? It would make a great sticky to be referred to when others claim the video lag with Samsungs DLP doesn't exist.

Good Luck!
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I am sorry for your video lag problem, but glad you are posting it here on this thread, so others could see what I had read elsewhere. I didn't want to go searching for other posts on other furoms that stated the same thing you did.

Do you have a link to that faq that mentions the video lag? It would make a great sticky to be referred to when others claim the video lag with Samsungs DLP doesn't exist.

Good Luck!

Here is the link...

http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/.../faqs_view.jsp
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I just tested the link and it doesn't work by clicking on it or pasting it into your browser. Just go to www.samsung.com and navigate to the FAQ area for DLP TV's. One of the questions states "Why is there a lag when playing an Xbox or PS2 on my DLP set?"
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Taken from Samsung's site...

Question... Why Do My X Box And PS2 Games Have A Time Lag On My DLP TV?

Answer...
The time lag you experience when you play games on your DLP TV is caused by the electronic circuitry used to produce High Definition quality pictures. Picture data is momentarily stored in memory and processed to produce high quality video. When you are watching TV programs, the time lag is not an issue, but when you play games, the lag becomes noticeable.

The time lag is most apparent if you have your game console attached to the Composite or S-video inputs on your TV because the TV must do more processing to create high quality video from signals coming through these inputs. To reduce the time lag, attach your game console's video out to your TV's Component video inputs (Component 1 or Component 2). Also, if you attach your game to the Component video inputs, make sure you attach the audio cables from the game console to the audio inputs associated with the Component video input you are using.
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Thanks a millions for posting this... I was moments away from dropping 3 grand on a 61" Samsung.
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I just got home and have my Xbox hooked up to both my HLR5667W and my 2 year old Toshiba 27" CRT. Despite doing everything that Samsung's site suggests, the lag while playing MVP 2004 is worse than I thought. Over the last week, I got so used to the lag that I had gotten the timing down as far as anticipating when I needed to push the button to pitch and hit at the right time. As soon as I played on my Toshiba, I was pressing the button wayyyy to soon. There must be about a 1/4 second lag. That doesn't sound like much. But on a precise game like MVP 2004, it makes it unplayable. This is the clincher. My Sammy is going back tomorrow and I will be looking for a replacement. Any recommendations out there?
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