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Old 01-13-2005, 01:05 PM   #1  
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Sorry, I'm new and really confused. We are looking to buy a hitachi 51' rear projection TV. THe one we were going to buy was HDTV compatible but we are also looking at one with a built in HDTV Tuner. We are going to have Digital Cable installed in the near future. The salesman told us that getting a TV without the tuner is a better idea because the technoligy can change and our TV might eventually not provide the best picture. Whereas a HDTV compatible tuner will always feed off of a 3rd parties signal/antannae etc so we will always have the best pic available.

Finally, I just read online that if you don't have a HDTV Tuner built in your TV you aren't receiving true HDTV. I'm so confused. Which is better, (money aside) the HDTV compatible TV or the TV with the HDTV tuner built in? Details please!!
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Old 01-13-2005, 02:08 PM   #2  
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ok , i just bought a hitachi with tuners built in, but i still have to use a hd reciever for dish network to get hi def programming, I believe that you only really need a built in tuner if you are going to recieve signals over the air and not thru cable or satellite. if you have tuners built in than you will get a hi def picture anytime theres a broadcast in hd. except if you are using cable or satellite, because then you need to decode there particular signals. So if you have satellite or cable i dont think you really need the built in recievers to get hi def programming. As far as not getting a hi def picture without having a built in tuner on board , i believe this is bologna, as long as the tv will display hi def resolutions and you have a hd tuner of one kind or another you will have hi def pictures. But i am not an expert and i am sure others will point out any mistakes if i have made them .
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Old 01-13-2005, 03:31 PM   #3  
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It depends on what you want to watch and your cable/sat company. Most cable or sat companies would require you to use their HD receiver for their HD channel packages. So if that's the case, the built in tuner is not necessary.

I got the Sony KDF-42WE655, it has a built in tuner. I subscribe to to just normal analog cable TV. I did not want to pay extra for their HDTV package because of the weak lineup. But I'm able to pickup HD signal for CBS, FOX, NBC and ABC with the built in tuner.

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Old 01-13-2005, 03:37 PM   #4  
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Steven,

Your salesman is mostly right. Having a built in tuner is fine if you are planning on using your own antenna (OTA). Otherwise, if you are using cable for example, you can rent the tuner, which doubles as a DVR and get your HD programming for about $10 a month. As the unit becomes obsolete, you get into your car and return the unit for an upgraded one. IF you get Direct TV or Dish or Voom, you need to use their tuner anyway, so again, what did you get by having a built in tuner other than another part of the technology that can become obsolete.

Just my .02 but not sure that I would let the Tuner influence the rest of your TV purchasing decision.

Good luck and good viewing!
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:56 PM   #5  
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How can a tuner inside an HDTV-built in television become obsolete? There are only two broadcast formats out there...an NTSC 480i/720p or ATSC 1080i...and I'm pretty sure that the FCC has decided on the final format to be ATSC 1080i, and in order for a TV to be considered built in it must be able to decode 720p and 1080i (however it's displayed format can be either 720p or 1080 i)...so as far as compatibility of the OTA tuner...well..there is no question. That compatibility issue is seen when you're using the cable card function (DCR) because currently all the digital cable cards are first version, not second version...
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Old 01-14-2005, 12:30 AM   #6  
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If you're planning to use digital cable, you don't NEED a built in tuner. However, this being said, OTA HD looks considerably better than cable HD. I believe this is due to the cable companies compressing to much info on one cable. When annalog broadcasts are dropped, it should improve cable's quality. Hope this helps.
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Beast, I don't argue that todays formats are pretty well decided, however the signal from the provider may be displayed optimally using their decoder. Here is the link to one of the best articles I've read.

http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=245
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Doug I agree that optimal picture quality as well as "digital treats" (such as pay per view, the on screen guide, on demand, etc.) are better viewed from the providers box. If a consumer just wants the local channels (as in my case where I have never experienced cable or satellite (with the exception of going over to people's homes )) that HDTV built-in would suffice. You see I have not experienced cable or satellite b/c I spend so much time surfing the internet and working in electronic sales ...oh...that's all my life? Man...I'm depressing...
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Old 01-14-2005, 03:23 PM   #9  
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I live in a smaller market where we do not get many HD channels through cable. Time Warner doesn't carry the local Fox affiiliate and I can't say I blame Fox. TW wants Fox to provide it to them for free and then they pass it on to the customer. I have the Sony 50" LCD RP and use an antenna for OTA. I get all the local HD stations without any loss in signal whatsoever. I love having the control of the transmitted signal from the local stations. The way I look at is, imagine buying one of your old analog TVs without a tuner it. In a few years that's where a lot of people will be with their HD-ready sets. They'll be stuck having to have a set-top box. I do have Directv, but cannot see paying the extra $$ for their limited HD offerings. Plus it depends on your viewing habits. I watch a fair amount of Directv, but the majority of what we watch is available via local broadcast (NYPD Blue, CSI, etc). By the way Leno with my setup looks absolutely amazing, even if his show isn't that great.
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