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Old 11-30-2005, 10:17 PM   #1  
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Hi, on the 1080p sets out there, do I understand correctly that even though they upconvert a signal to 1080p and will take the signal of 1080p if it came from OTA or cable, that:

1. There is no 1080p OTA or Cable or Satellite HDTV signal on earth
for them to take.
2. Almost all of the televisions right now that say they are 1080p
have no inputs that are 1080p.


It is number two that I am asking about. I understand there is no
bandwidth, no tv, no programming, etc. for number one. But if these
televisions have no input for 1080p, then what is the point? Simply
that they can display 1080i upconverted to 1080p? With no possibility of actually using sources that are native 1080p such as BluRay, HD-DVD, or the Playstation 3? Supposedly there are about two sets out there that have these inputs. I hate to be negative here, but isn't this just a marketing ploy and bordering on a misrepresentation or playing on our ignorance? There is already and information overload in the whole HDTV thing...Thanks. I can't imaging paying $4000 for a television that is 1080p only to discover I can't use it properly.
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Old 11-30-2005, 11:55 PM   #2  
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I am buying the Toshiba 62hm195 1080p and I have a 1080 p dvd player but I hear the Tv wont take a 1080p signal from input so I guess I will set the dvd player to send 1080i and the Tv will upcovert it to 1080p. I guess the big deal about 1080p Tvs is the upscaler. It also helps that the hd4 chip will show the rez in this format. Hell that sounds absurd too . I dont know anything anymore. I know I have seen this Tv in action and it blows my sony 57" hdtv away. My Sony is 3 yrs old. My best friend had a samsung 1080p shipped to his house and I helped him set it up. It looked awesome but died 8 days later. I told him it could happen to any Tv no matter who makes it but he sent it back and had them send the toshiba 1080p 62". Maybe the samsung had problems before it went out , I dont know its the only one I have seen , but the toshiba was way brighter and more lifelike also the sd channels looked alot better than the sammy all said and done the 1080p thing is a scam as far as I can tell but why take chances...lol
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:22 AM   #3  
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See this discussion:

http://highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=15281

It may answer your question.
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Old 12-01-2005, 11:59 AM   #4  
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Originally Posted by 1080jeff
See this discussion:

http://highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=15281

It may answer your question.
I think it means the answer is I need to wait for real inputs.
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Old 12-01-2005, 08:40 PM   #5  
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I am buying the Toshiba 62hm195 1080p and I have a 1080 p dvd player but I hear the Tv wont take a 1080p signal from input so I guess I will set the dvd player to send 1080i and the Tv will upcovert it to 1080p. I guess the big deal about 1080p Tvs is the upscaler. It also helps that the hd4 chip will show the rez in this format. Hell that sounds absurd too . I dont know anything anymore. I know I have seen this Tv in action and it blows my sony 57" hdtv away. My Sony is 3 yrs old. My best friend had a samsung 1080p shipped to his house and I helped him set it up. It looked awesome but died 8 days later. I told him it could happen to any Tv no matter who makes it but he sent it back and had them send the toshiba 1080p 62". Maybe the samsung had problems before it went out , I dont know its the only one I have seen , but the toshiba was way brighter and more lifelike also the sd channels looked alot better than the sammy all said and done the 1080p thing is a scam as far as I can tell but why take chances...lol
I think us and the rest of the world would like to know where you bought your 1080P DVD player.

To make things simple look at it like this.
On a 1080i broadcast there is a maximum of 2,073,600 pixles
A 720P tv can show a max of 921,600 pixles. Looks like something might be left out.

So on a 1080P tv (even though it doesn't accept 1080P signals) it can show 2,073,600 pixels(most can resolve every pixel).

In other words a 1080i broadcast should and will look better (on most sets) than any 720P tv out there. On a 720P broadcast no relative difference.

Take your pick it can be worth it or it might not be depending on the content your watch, all the HD networks will tell you how they broadcast, and if you watch alot of 1080i (i.e. discovery, cbs) then you may want to invest in 1080P
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:02 PM   #6  
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Hi, on the 1080p sets out there, do I understand correctly that even though they upconvert a signal to 1080p and will take the signal of 1080p if it came from OTA or cable, that:

1. There is no 1080p OTA or Cable or Satellite HDTV signal on earth
for them to take.
2. Almost all of the televisions right now that say they are 1080p
have no inputs that are 1080p.


It is number two that I am asking about. I understand there is no
bandwidth, no tv, no programming, etc. for number one. But if these
televisions have no input for 1080p, then what is the point? Simply
that they can display 1080i upconverted to 1080p? With no possibility of actually using sources that are native 1080p such as BluRay, HD-DVD, or the Playstation 3? Supposedly there are about two sets out there that have these inputs. I hate to be negative here, but isn't this just a marketing ploy and bordering on a misrepresentation or playing on our ignorance? There is already and information overload in the whole HDTV thing...Thanks. I can't imaging paying $4000 for a television that is 1080p only to discover I can't use it properly.


Is there a tv out there aside from the HP that accepts 1080p?
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:16 PM   #7  
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Smile Is 1080p worth $4k

That's up to you! Are you willing to pay? Do you see a difference?
Do you accept only objective arguments, or are you open to your own subjective perceptions? Personality A may say, no 1080p inputs then no sale. Personality B may say, no 1080p inputs but I'm buying anyway because the picture is better.

For example, take 60-62" RPTV's. With many of the 720p sets still selling for around $3000 to $3500, are you willing to pay $1000 more for a 1080p set? I'm here to suggest that video purists are willing to pay if the performance improvements satisfy them. I challenge anyone to go to Best Buy and look at any 60" or so 720p set and compare it to the Sony KDS-R60XBR1... their new SXRD technology. Even though the Sony does not accept 1080p inputs, the picture is substantially better than any comparable 720p set on the market. It produces a technologically superior picture due to a long list of engineering improvements. We can debate these specs until the cows come home, but in the final analysis, you just have to answer the question: Am I willing to pay for this picture in front of me? Apparently many people are because Sony has surpassed the performance/satisfaction barrier enough to move these sets.

I understand completely the apprehension to spend 4k, especially when you know in two years you'll be lucky to get half that for the set. But as long as there are buyers, there will be sellers, etc.

I investigated all the issues for a couple months before buying the Sony 60" and, in my humble opinion, it has a substantially better picture than any 720p set I've seen. This is especially true for 1080i broadcasts (CSI, Without a Trace, L & O, Cold Case, and Pro-Ball) using some of the best digital HD cameras available. The improved picture quality is obvious and quite satisfying. The Sony also producing the best DVD picture I've ever seen when combined with an upconverting DVD player like my HDMI connected Sony 1080i player.

Finally, I must admit that I was able to obtain the Sony for $4060 due to a delivery error on the part of my retailer. I originally ordered a $3300 JVC which was sold to another customer and I offered to buy the Sony reduced from their $4500 sale price. So obviously I have my price limit like all of you do.

If you really want the best picture in an RPTV, I highly recommend the Sony's. If your budget is 3k, check out the awesome 50", but if want the bigger 60" picture, you'll have to cross the 4k line. I've had it for nearly 4 wonderful weeks now and it is completely, albeit subjectively, satisfying!
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:28 PM   #8  
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In other words a 1080i broadcast should and will look better (on most sets) than any 720P tv out there. On a 720P broadcast no relative difference.
Doesn't this depend on the type or broadcast? For example, sports versus, say, a nature show?
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:50 PM   #9  
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To make things simple look at it like this.
On a 1080i broadcast there is a maximum of 2,073,600 pixles
A 720P tv can show a max of 921,600 pixles. Looks like something might be left out.

So on a 1080P tv (even though it doesn't accept 1080P signals) it can show 2,073,600 pixels(most can resolve every pixel).

In other words a 1080i broadcast should and will look better (on most sets) than any 720P tv out there. On a 720P broadcast no relative difference.
You've simplified too much, you've completely left out the framerate issues.

A 1080i/30 display displays 2,073,600 pixels in 1/30 of a second. A 720p/60 display shows TWO frames of 921,600 pixels for a total of 1,843,200 in that time. A 1080p/60 display shows 2 frames of 2,073,600 pixels for a total of 4,147,200.

Both 1080i/30 and 720p/60 displays show the matching signal format the best, and the other at compromised quality. 1080p/60 displays can show both lesser formats without compromise, preserving the higher spatial res of 1080i/30 AND the progressive & faster framerate of 720p/60.
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Old 12-02-2005, 01:45 AM   #10  
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You've simplified too much, you've completely left out the framerate issues..
this stuff doesn't really get as complicated as some keep trying make it sound - unless thinking of the vacuum tube age -
read this recent post for a refreshing and unfortunately recurring and necessary rescue from the omnipresent dreaded archaic twitter, judder and "framerate" demons.aka.wizard- http://www.highdefforum.com/showpost...6&postcount=34
in this thread analog reception on hdtv http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=14098 read the whole thread - see who you think are the engineers and who are the evangelists
another essay by rbinck on the subject http://www.highdefinitionblog.com/?page_id=88

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Old 12-02-2005, 03:15 AM   #11  
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http://www.neodigits.com/body/produc...85/feature.asp
is where I got my 1080p dvd player. I think most people would already know that it is a upscaleing dvd player. The werd thing is the player will only output 1080p in componet cables and not hdmi.
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It seems like it was problematic at some point. Maybe it's working good now....
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