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ZeroPlasma 11-27-2005 12:04 PM

What are the good 1080p DLP's?
 
The max I want to spend is about $3700 and I want a true 1080p TV that accepts external 1080p signals.

As I have read most "1080p" HDTV's only upscale to 1080p, but can not play a true 1080p source at 1080p.

Thanks.

mu5a5hi 11-27-2005 01:25 PM

I have read numerous places (mostly threads on this forum) that the HP Pavilion DLP's are the only ones that ACCEPT and correctly process 1080P inputs.

rbinck 11-27-2005 01:37 PM

First, just saying a 1080p source is incomplete. The ATSC specs for 1080p are 24fps and 30fps and computers could deliver 60fps. Which 1080p are you wanting?

Why is being able to accept a 1080p/24/30/60fps source important to you?

ZeroPlasma 11-27-2005 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbinck
First, just saying a 1080p source is incomplete. The ATSC specs for 1080p are 24fps and 30fps and computers could deliver 60fps. Which 1080p are you wanting?

Why is being able to accept a 1080p/24/30/60fps source important to you?

It's inportant to me simply because I want the most bang for my buck. :)

And as for 24/30/ or 60 fps:

I will most likely be playing from a computer and "normal" players when they are out.

Also, a computer can output at 24 or 30 fps too, or not?

Thanks you for both your help.

rbinck 11-27-2005 06:23 PM

I don't think you would want a computer to output 24 or 30fps. Computer games is a good reason to keep the refresh at 60 Hz and not lower. You would want to be sure the display is PC capable - no overscan on the PC input.

DVD players, even the HD versions, will mainly be used for movies, I would guess, and the effective frame rate will be whatever the film was shot at. Probably 24fps, so a 60fps transfer will not help there.

Edit:
Looking at the HP specs they say:
Broadcast Format Supported:1080i (HDTV), 1080p (HDTV), 480i (SDTV), 480p (EDTV), 720p (HDTV)

Although 1080p (HDTV) is supported, the ATSC 1080p spec is 30fps, so it is not clear it will support 1080p/60fps.

Capt. Ahab 11-27-2005 08:15 PM

I don't know too much about the HP, but what i do know is that it is not a "true" 1080p monitor. It uses a technology called wobulation, is short, it's ?(1/2)? of the pixels of a true 1080p monitor, but wobulation makes all the pixels do "double duty" which bumps it up to the 1080p resolution. I'm not sure if it offers the same detail as a true 1080p monitor but I'm thinking not....Basically it may not look as good as a New Sammy 68,78 series or a new Sony SXRD TV...

But there is good news, check out JVC, I'm 95% sure they have a true 1080 TV that WILL accept a 1080P signal...check on this forum under this topic of RP TV and look for a JVC topic or just go www.JVC.com

Good Luck!

-Captin'

botis63 11-27-2005 08:53 PM

I just saw the new JVC LCOS...all 3....the 56", 61" and 70" at Starpower in Dallas. They were awesome and clearly better than the 780P sets right next to them.

jcortney 11-27-2005 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by botis63
I just saw the new JVC LCOS...all 3....the 56", 61" and 70" at Starpower in Dallas. They were awesome and clearly better than the 780P sets right next to them.

You saw the 70????

Were you at the store on the Tollway? I was there last Tuesday and they didn't have one (the 61 was really nice) and said they wouldn't have the 70 for two to three weeks.

By the way, based on how great the 61 looked, I ordered one from TV Authority for $4595 plus $95 for white glove delivery.

Joe Cortney

tuccillo 11-27-2005 10:28 PM

I believe all of the DLP rear projection sets at 1080p native resolution, including the Samsung sets, use wobulation. The refresh is apparently fast enough that you cant tell that each mirror on the chip is driving two pixels.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Ahab
I don't know too much about the HP, but what i do know is that it is not a "true" 1080p monitor. It uses a technology called wobulation, is short, it's ?(1/2)? of the pixels of a true 1080p monitor, but wobulation makes all the pixels do "double duty" which bumps it up to the 1080p resolution. I'm not sure if it offers the same detail as a true 1080p monitor but I'm thinking not....Basically it may not look as good as a New Sammy 68,78 series or a new Sony SXRD TV...

But there is good news, check out JVC, I'm 95% sure they have a true 1080 TV that WILL accept a 1080P signal...check on this forum under this topic of RP TV and look for a JVC topic or just go www.JVC.com

Good Luck!

-Captin'


jeffsstv 11-28-2005 02:15 PM

JVC Lcos HD ILA is not out yet?
 
I've been waiting and waiting...I even called today and the JVC Customer Care Rep stated he expected them to be ON THE MARKET
come first of the year. So, whoever stated they had seen the
Designer Pro JVC 1080P set must have confused it with the
720P set. Possible?

I've also seen links which state it does not have a 1080P input.
I have no idea why there are delays. It was supposed to be out in October, then November, now first of they year?

Interesting.

mu5a5hi 11-29-2005 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbinck
Looking at the HP specs they say:
Broadcast Format Supported:1080i (HDTV), 1080p (HDTV), 480i (SDTV), 480p (EDTV), 720p (HDTV)

Although 1080p (HDTV) is supported, the ATSC 1080p spec is 30fps, so it is not clear it will support 1080p/60fps.


According to HP's website at http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...e=L1737A%23ABA

"Future-proof" your purchase: this 1080p resolution TV can accept native and compressed 1080p through HDMI at 24/30/60 frames per second

So they CLAIM at least to take 24, 30, and 60 fps

videobruce 11-29-2005 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mu5a5hi
I have read numerous places (mostly threads on this forum) that the HP Pavilion DLP's are the only ones that ACCEPT and correctly process 1080P inputs.

And that's only when used with HP ink cartridges. ;)
Quote:

I believe all of the DLP rear projection sets at 1080p native resolution, including the Samsung sets, use wobulation.
AFAIK, ALL DLP's use wobulation. Period.

RSawdey 11-30-2005 02:34 AM

No, not all DLP chips are wobbulated. The HD2+ chip used in the xx85 isn't, but it's 720p. I think all the 1080p chips are wobbulated, so far.

videobruce 11-30-2005 05:55 AM

The first three chips weren't. All the current models are.

siccivic420 11-30-2005 01:00 PM

I think he ment that all 1080p dlp's use the wob chips. :thumbsup:


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