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Old 07-21-2009, 01:54 PM   #1  
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Well, Fox News has a well earned reputation for distorting the truth to the tenth degree, but this clip was close to the truth. Living in Canada for 28 years now, it is true that the wait times at hospitals are lengthy. If I would walk in with a broken arm, I would estimate waiting at least 6 or 7 hours to have someone look at it most of the time. But the good news is that if I came in with a life threatening injury, they would see me right away most of the time.

We have strong Unions up here and sometimes it works against us in a big way. For instance, whilst we constantly hear of all the shortages of nurses throughout our country, truth be told, there are endless foreign nurses wanting to work but are being blocked by the unions so that wages stay high for those actively working. Normally that is fine, except that many nurses are not doing their job. When my Mom was in hospital, a common theme with nurses was to have a floor with 6 or them and 5 of them playing cards all night and the one who lost the card game actually had to do all the rounds. Not venting, but they can get away with this as they are protected by the unions. Our system is not perfect but is is the only one we have. My personal observation after being familiar with several hospitals is that if you have in any given hospital 10 nurses and 10 doctors, at least 2 of each will actually be sincere and want to help you, the others are only interested in themselves.

Not sure how the US "Health Care" will evolve if at all, but if your country could keep the unions out of the system, it would be a far more superior one for all. I do believe that most who came into the profession actually wanted to make a difference and truly help, but after being in the system for awhile, they probably got caught up in the union mentality that others were caught up in and eventually their values changed.


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I hope it gets passed here.. Prices are killing me already.. Cost almost $1,000 bucks for the EMS to pick you up if you have ER problem. I thought you and your wife was set with coverage?
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From my experience its about 2-3 hours or more in the emergency room in hospitals. General rule you should always just go to a small clinic for walks ins. Ive never waited more than an hour in those even with a full waiting room.
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From my experience its about 2-3 hours or more in the emergency room in hospitals. General rule you should always just go to a small clinic for walks ins. Ive never waited more than an hour in those even with a full waiting room.
Depends where you live.. Depends how busy the ER is? Small Clinic can be really busy..
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I hope it gets passed here.. Prices are killing me already.. Cost almost $1,000 bucks for the EMS to pick you up if you have ER problem. I thought you and your wife was set with coverage?
It isnt free here either... its $50.

My friend and I were actually talking about this yesterday. He has a REALLY rich family in the states. The father had to stay at the hospital for 30 days and ended up dying anyways. Total Cost: over 300 thousand dollars.
They paid it cause theyre rich but most families cant afford that.

Also a few weeks ago someone here posted that article about the teenager getting into an accident with his pinto causing it to burst in flames. Looked it up and the family is constantly doing fundraisers cause they cant afford his treatment.

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Old 07-21-2009, 04:08 PM   #6  
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I hope it gets passed here.. Prices are killing me already.. Cost almost $1,000 bucks for the EMS to pick you up if you have ER problem. I thought you and your wife was set with coverage?
I pay $96 a month for both of us. If you earn more than $24k in BC, you need to pay that. If you earn under $24k a year, it's free. I agree with DonyDC, walk in clinics are a much better bet if it is not much of an emergency and they are open when you need them.
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I hope it gets passed here.. Prices are killing me already.. Cost almost $1,000 bucks for the EMS to pick you up if you have ER problem. I thought you and your wife was set with coverage?
You need to read the House bill.

Quote highlights from the bill:
Mandated coverage: "Once market reforms and affordability credits are in effect to ensure access and affordability, individuals are responsible for having health insurance with an exception in cases of hardship."

Employer mandate also: "Employers choose between providing coverage for their workers or contributing funds on behalf of their uncovered workers."

The government will determine qualified plans and people will have to assure on their income tax return that they have coverage under a qualified plan. If not, the person can be fined and assigned to a plan.

The Senate bill is not much different. A comparison of the two bills is here: Understanding the House Democrats’ health care bill

Hardly going to be free and will remove the choice of self insuring. I doubt it will pass in its current form.
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You need to read the House bill.

Quote highlights from the bill:
Mandated coverage: "Once market reforms and affordability credits are in effect to ensure access and affordability, individuals are responsible for having health insurance with an exception in cases of hardship."

Employer mandate also: "Employers choose between providing coverage for their workers or contributing funds on behalf of their uncovered workers."

The government will determine qualified plans and people will have to assure on their income tax return that they have coverage under a qualified plan. If not, the person can be fined and assigned to a plan.

The Senate bill is not much different. A comparison of the two bills is here: Understanding the House Democrats’ health care bill

Hardly going to be free and will remove the choice of self insuring. I doubt it will pass in its current form.
It sounds like they just took the horrible "health" plan Massachusetts has which is basically a revenue generator for the state to add to their gov't coffers.

Fining people for not having health care does nothing to get more people to have health care and actually makes health insurance LESS affordable since you also have to pay that fine and will have less money to afford health insurance since they do not give credit of that fine paid towards getting health insurance.

Sadly. If that passes like that then the gov't just fubarred another thing they put their hands on.

In this economy, many people will just have to stop paying some other bills (credit cards, etc.) to be able to pay for the insurance and that will set up the next bailout for the banks.
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I hope it gets passed here.. Prices are killing me already.. Cost almost $1,000 bucks for the EMS to pick you up if you have ER problem. I thought you and your wife was set with coverage?
It's not as if when it passes all medical expenses will be free the next day. Even if it passes, it'll take a long time before it gets all worked out.
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It isnt free here either... its $50.

My friend and I were actually talking about this yesterday. He has a REALLY rich family in the states. The father had to stay at the hospital for 30 days and ended up dying anyways. Total Cost: over 300 thousand dollars.
They paid it cause theyre rich but most families cant afford that.

Also a few weeks ago someone here posted that article about the teenager getting into an accident with his pinto causing it to burst in flames. Looked it up and the family is constantly doing fundraisers cause they cant afford his treatment.
It's $1,000 an hour to stay in a Private Room in ER. The service is lousy. I was there for 5 hours at a cost of $5,000 with tax it was near $7,000. EMS just adds to the bill. You had said it was 300,000 for 30 days stay that was cheap! But then again why are the prices so high. Crazy! If you don't pay your bill they'll take you to court and sue you for the money.
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You need to read the House bill.

Quote highlights from the bill:
Mandated coverage: "Once market reforms and affordability credits are in effect to ensure access and affordability, individuals are responsible for having health insurance with an exception in cases of hardship."

Employer mandate also: "Employers choose between providing coverage for their workers or contributing funds on behalf of their uncovered workers."

The government will determine qualified plans and people will have to assure on their income tax return that they have coverage under a qualified plan. If not, the person can be fined and assigned to a plan.

The Senate bill is not much different. A comparison of the two bills is here: Understanding the House Democrats’ health care bill

Hardly going to be free and will remove the choice of self insuring. I doubt it will pass in its current form.
Then we're not going to get the plan I thought it was going to be like the House/Senate/Pres gets. So what type of BS is this then. I like to go to DC and complain to these guys as they really don't care about the public. Insurance Companies want everything to stay as it is.. They just get richer and richer.. Hospital board of directors are just as bad.. Sounds like a mob controlling everything. Everyone wants a piece of the action.
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Then we're not going to get the plan I thought it was going to be like the House/Senate/Pres gets. So what type of BS is this then. I like to go to DC and complain to these guys as they really don't care about the public. Insurance Companies want everything to stay as it is.. They just get richer and richer.. Hospital board of directors are just as bad.. Sounds like a mob controlling everything. Everyone wants a piece of the action.
Welcome to our gov't.

Read this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090722/...haul_doctors_2

It is looking more like a shell game and fuzzy math, and they are going to screw the whole health care system if they proceed like this.

You can bet that if they force a lot of the cost on small businesses then you will see a lot of small businesses close their doors or fire the workers and downsize. I have a few clients that said the workers are gone if they require him to pay the health insurance as there would be no money left to pay himself so why work for nothing? Another two clients will be closing their doors as they have already been hit buy the economy and they could not survive paying employee health insurance, and those two companies employ about 20 workers. One is a restaurant and the other is a bar. This will put most of these small time restaurants/bars out of business and we will be stuck with national chains for each.

Just an FYI. About 70% of all employees are employed by small businesses and if even 20% close their doors because of this health insurance "plan", then that will be millions more that lose their jobs. Either that, or expect 10-20% higher prices at small businesses to cover the cost of such a "plan". This is not going to be good the way they are doing it, and my worst fears are starting to look like a reality.
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[QUOTE=okdude123;908948] "If I would walk in with a broken arm, I would estimate waiting at least 6 or 7 hours to have someone look at it most of the time. But the good news is that if I came in with a life threatening injury, they would see me right away most of the time."

In my experience it's closer to a two hour wait depending on how busy they are. On your second point, I had quadruple bypass surgery in Nov.1999 within three days after having an angiogram. Total cost for the surgery and the ten day stay in the hospital: Zero!

"We have strong Unions up here and sometimes it works against us in a big way. For instance, whilst we constantly hear of all the shortages of nurses throughout our country, truth be told, there are endless foreign nurses wanting to work but are being blocked by the unions so that wages stay high for those actively working."

A true statement and it's even worse for foreign trained doctors. My wife's audiologist was a chest surgeon in Russia but was blocked from practicing here by the B.C.M.A. (a "closed shop" medical board) My wife was a practicing R.N. for 35 years and says he would have been a real asset to the current doctor shortage!
I remember years ago, you had to pay a dollar a day, when you went into a hospital but a new government put a stop to that. I think they should return to a co-pay system and charge around $10 a day due to the skyrocketing cost of medical care.
I realize the Canadian system isn't perfect but at least you won't lose your house having to pay medical bills when a serious medical condition strikes your family!

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Read this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090722/...haul_doctors_2

It is looking more like a shell game and fuzzy math, and they are going to screw the whole health care system if they proceed like this.

You can bet that if they force a lot of the cost on small businesses then you will see a lot of small businesses close their doors or fire the workers and downsize. I have a few clients that said the workers are gone if they require him to pay the health insurance as there would be no money left to pay himself so why work for nothing? Another two clients will be closing their doors as they have already been hit buy the economy and they could not survive paying employee health insurance, and those two companies employ about 20 workers. One is a restaurant and the other is a bar. This will put most of these small time restaurants/bars out of business and we will be stuck with national chains for each.

Just an FYI. About 70% of all employees are employed by small businesses and if even 20% close their doors because of this health insurance "plan", then that will be millions more that lose their jobs. Either that, or expect 10-20% higher prices at small businesses to cover the cost of such a "plan". This is not going to be good the way they are doing it, and my worst fears are starting to look like a reality.
It seems the link is dead...
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Well true that can happen.. I've ran 4 small business so far in my life-time. But now these extra cost are going to drive me down to one person business.
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But now these extra cost are going to drive me down to one person business.
Here's an idea for the name of your one person business.
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