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Old 05-25-2010, 10:17 AM   #1  
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President Obama formally announced Monday his nominee for administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, fulfilling widespread expectations that he would tap Donald Berwick, a Harvard University professor and leading advocate for improving health-care quality and efficiency.
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We can make a sensible social
decision and say, “Well, at this
point, to have access to a particular
additional benefit [new drug or
medical intervention] is so expensive
that our taxpayers have better
use for those funds.” We make those
decisions all the time. The decision
is not whether or not we will ration
care — the decision is whether we
will ration with our eyes open. And
right now, we are doing it blindly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...th06_2p035.pdf
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We can make a sensible social decision and say,
“Well, at this point, to have access to a particular
additional benefit [new drug or medical intervention] is so expensive
that our taxpayers have better use for those funds.”
We make those decisions all the time.
The decision is not whether or not we will ration care —
the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.
And right now, we are doing it blindly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...th06_2p035.pdf

Wow - makes perfectly good sense.
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Rationing, that's right, no heart for dear old dad, he is to old......
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Rationing, that's right, no heart for dear old dad, he is to old......
It's best for the people and all. Dad will understand.
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As Donald Berwick said so succinctly, "We make those decisions all the time.
The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open."

Wise people even act in advance with living wills and predefined DNR instructions.
It's silly to think that every single sole should have or even want "the best treatment(s) that money can buy."
And equally silly to ridicule Berwicks thoughtful consideration of the realities concerning cost as a factor.
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Scott, it would be harder to put a political spin on it, if they didn't.
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as donald berwick said so succinctly, "we make those decisions all the time.
The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open."

wise people even act in advance with living wills and predefined dnr instructions.
It's silly to think that every single sole should have or even want "the best treatment(s) that money can buy."
and equally silly to ridicule berwicks thoughtful consideration of the realities concerning cost as a factor.
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I hope you guys take the lead and save me some money and quickly dispatch yourselves when the health starts to go. Of course it'll be different then and you'll be spending my money.
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and our own, we all pay in to it.
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As Donald Berwick said so succinctly, "We make those decisions all the time.
The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open."

Wise people even act in advance with living wills and predefined DNR instructions.
It's silly to think that every single sole should have or even want "the best treatment(s) that money can buy."
And equally silly to ridicule Berwicks thoughtful consideration of the realities concerning cost as a factor.
If the "we" is the government then say hello to Elvis for me.....
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If the "we" is the government then say hello to Elvis for me.....
The "we" includes the government . . . as well as the pharmaceuticals, hospitals, medical equipment suppliers, insurance companies . . . and nursing homes, hospice facilities, and family members of the aged and seriously ill.

Again, it is naive and silly to think that "everyone" should should have or even want "the best treatment(s) that money can buy" at every stage of their life or illness. Not everyone can be cured of every disease . . . and no one lives forever . . . dying is an unavoidable part of a natural cycle, best to approach it rationally and with dignity.
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[QUOTE=Scottnot;1048219]The "we" includes the government . . . as well as the pharmaceuticals, hospitals, medical equipment suppliers, insurance companies . . . and nursing homes, hospice facilities, and family members of the aged and seriously ill.

Again, it is naive and silly to think that "everyone" should should have or even want "the best treatment(s) that money can buy" at every stage of their life or illness. Not everyone can be cured of every disease . . . and no one lives forever . . . dying is an unavoidable part of a natural cycle, best to approach it rationally and with dignity.[/QUOTE]

Scottnot - we often disagree but I respect your opinion and on this I am 100% agreement with you.
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It's a love fest around here. We'll be back to treating cancer with morphine soon if many people are like this. That's the most sensible way if you think about it much.

Everyone is forgetting that people who can be fairly easily treated and "cured" are being let go when people get this mindset. It's not going to be just people 100 years old with 25 serious issues.

I hope we can get a few states to succeed before it's too late and the idiots totally take over.
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As Donald Berwick said so succinctly, "We make those decisions all the time.
The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open."

Wise people even act in advance with living wills and predefined DNR instructions.
It's silly to think that every single sole should have or even want "the best treatment(s) that money can buy."
And equally silly to ridicule Berwicks thoughtful consideration of the realities concerning cost as a factor.
I think that is a good, rational statement. I also think that if one can afford, or has access to private insurance, that he is able to afford the best treatment that money can buy-- he damn well should be able to get it, and the government should have NOTHING to say about it. There is no natural "right" to health insurance-- why should governments try to make it so. . .

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see where this government intrusion into the health insurance and health care is leading just by looking at other government programs. Consider the Department of Energy, created to reduce our dependence on foreign oil in the 1970's-- that worked out well. Yeah, dear old dad/mom can't have a knee replacement because they are over 70-- they will just have to live out their life in pain; perhaps some medication to reduce the pain and duration is in order.

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I think that is a good, rational statement. I also think that if one can afford, or has access to private insurance, that he is able to afford the best treatment that money can buy-- he damn well should be able to get it, and the government should have NOTHING to say about it. There is no natural "right" to health insurance-- why should governments try to make it so. . .

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see where this government intrusion into the health insurance and health care is leading just by looking at other government programs. Consider the Department of Energy, created to reduce our dependence on foreign oil in the 1970's-- that worked out well. Yeah, dear old dad/mom can't have a knee replacement because they are over 70-- they will just have to live out there life in pain; perhaps some medication to reduce the pain and duration is in order.
I just don't understand people's brains. The first ones to tell you that .gov should give everyone health coverage are the first ones to tell you that it's OK for .gov to decide if they are going to treat someone. Oh yeah, and you should only be able to get care through .gov.

The line in my sig came from a case in Canada where people couldn't get treatment because of waiting lists AND it was also illegal to buy care. WTF people?
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