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Old 05-02-2006, 06:06 PM   #1  
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Default Winegard HDP-269 Revisited

The winegard preamp HDP 269 was originally designed as a preamp to mate with the unamplified winegard squareshooter #SS1000. It was designed to operate in the suburban setting less than 30 or so miles from the towers. The winegard preamp HDP 269 has 12 Db of gain, very high overload tolerance (325,000 mv. which is 3 times more than the other high overload preamps), and only 3 db noise.

Preamps like the cm7777, cm7775, winegard ap8275, ap8700, ap 4800 were designed years ago to be used in the "boonies" over 35 miles to amplify weak signals where the signals were so weak that you did not have to worry about overload.

It is too bad that the hdp 269 has not yet caught on...and I have been plugging it like crazy. At my home, I am 19 miles from the towers, with an oversized antenna the HD8200P. There is an FM tower less then a mile from my home. I could NEVER use a conventional higher powered preamp until now...I tried but I got overload.

At my home I needed amplification of some sort because I split my signal 6 ways...4 short run and 2 long run. Since preamps overloaded my system and I am TOTALLY AGAINST using attenuators since attenuators affect and weaken all channels in the tv spectrum...I had to settle with a distribution amp.

This is where using an HDP269 is so cool.

It is a better alternative where you would have used a distribution amp to improve the signal for long cable runs in your home or could not use conventional preamps installed at the antenna.

Here is why...

-you are amplifying the signal at the antenna, not down the line thereby amplifying the signal closer to the source as opposed to after the signal has a chance to get noisy at the distribution amp point in the house.

-the gain is not much more than a standard in home distribution amp...12 db -vs 8 db which is typical.

-the preamp has only 3 db noise -vs.- 6db typical of distribution amps

-is more tolerant to overload because of its design (325,000 mv vs 85000 mv typical of other high tolerant preamps).

-has an internal FM trap to attenuate FM stations that can overload the signal if FM is an issue.

-is designed to not overload your ota receiver in the suburban and urban setting.

I am very happy with the results and wanted to share this alternative with you. I now have no need for attenuation, disconnected the distribution amp, and the pictures are very clean even on the weaker analog channels.

When I want to play and receive distant channels, I get the bonus of amplifing right at the antenna where I could not accomplish that before with preamps like the cm7777 in my suburban setting.

Hope I explained this well...because this is a great opportunity for folks needing to amplify in the urban and suburban settiing 0-35 miles or so from towers..
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Old 05-02-2006, 09:37 PM   #2  
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True enough about the HDA-269: it is a nice little piece for suburban settings, however suburban antenna installations are a lot like kissing your sister: there's no thrill in it! Give me a challage, like being 75 miles out and looking for analog UHF stations...NOW the fun begins!
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Old 05-02-2006, 09:47 PM   #3  
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True enough about the HDA-269: it is a nice little piece for suburban settings, however suburban antenna installations are a lot like kissing your sister: there's no thrill in it! Give me a challage, like being 75 miles out and looking for analog UHF stations...NOW the fun begins!
Its HDP as in PREAMP not HDA as in...
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The note was for the folks living in the suburbs thinking about using a CM7777 high gain amp which is intended for the "boonies" and would overload in their OTA tuner.

The HDP269 will help bring in the 50 miles stations... not cause overload BY the 10 mile stations. You would not need the distribution amp and would just go with splitters.

Got it???

Good.
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I received my HDP269 yesterday and will install it tomorow.
I have a Samsung 65" DLP & Dish Network 942 DVR.
Zip code is 76107 and I have the same problem many
in the DFW area have. WFAA (ABC) CH. 9.1 is broadcasting
the HD in VHF and I have a lot of dropouts I have the highly
recommended Channel Master 4228 on about a 32 foot
mast with a side of the house mount. I have tried meticulously peaking my signal on ch. 9 and did squeeze out any some improvement but lost some signal strength on Fox CH 4.
So I hope the HDP269 will do the trick.

I'll let you know the how it works after the install.

Rick and Tiger Bangs
Thanks so much for all your help. You guys are great!
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Zip code is 76107 and I have the same problem many in the DFW area have. WFAA (ABC) CH. 9.1 is broadcasting
the HD in VHF and I have a lot of dropouts I have the highly
recommended Channel Master 4228
on about a 32 foot
mast with a side of the house mount. I have tried meticulously peaking my signal on ch. 9 and did squeeze out any some improvement but lost some signal strength on Fox CH 4.
So I hope the HDP269 will do the trick.
cm4228 and high band vhf

-there are peaks and valleys in reception capability from ch to channel

-first peak antenna on the weakest channel ...then compromise where approriate

-if you are experiencing drop outs...secure the screen and stabilize/strengthen the mast from movement during wind gusts.

if stabilizing does not improve dropouts...then you are experiencing multipath.

-if you are installed in the attic try installing out doors

-avoid blockage by trees and position antenna mount for best reception

a preamp matched to your conditions may help improve weak signal

If all else fails:

-a quality combination vhf/uhf or ch 7-13 yagi (if you want to combine) matched to your conditions will perform better

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If the 9.1 does not improve with the hdp-269 and after careful antenna peaking...the cm 4228 may not have enough receiving power for the lower power 9.1.

The next option would be:

-a quality combination vhf/uhf antenna ...a winegard hd7082p (110")or hd7084p (133") with your hdp269 preamp.

or

-a ch 7-13 vhf yagi (about 100") combined with your cm4228 with your hdp-269.

many families do not like the idea of 2 antennas. The length of a 10 element 7-13 vhf (100") is very close to the length of the combination antennas (110", 133") mentioned above.
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We I'm getting a 94 siginal strength on ch 8 (9.1) after installing
the HDP269. No more dropouts there but ch 4 (35 Fox) dropped to
74 siginal strength and it freezes sometimes for a couple of seconds
but dosen't picsalate. I think I moved the antenna a little when it went back up. Towers should be at 105 degrees and it looks like I have it108-109. I have lots of trees and I'm on the down side of a hill
So maybe I'm getting a bounced siginal for Ch 8 and thats why its
so high now or maybe its the preamp. This weekend I'll try going
back toward 105 and see if ch4(35) improves with out loosing anything on ch 8. Boy this tweeking the position is hard to get just right. I put 4 guy wires right below the antenna and I need to tighten them up a little more by adding some turnbuckles.

I'm getting there slow but sure.
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Old 05-03-2006, 09:41 PM   #9  
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when you peak.
peak step away...reading...peak step away... reading.
small movements. wax on ...wax off.

When I use a meter just touching the antenna or standing by it affects the instrumention readings.

You may need to compromise to balance things out...when everything is said and done.
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when you peak.
peak step away...reading...peak step away... reading.
small movements. wax on ...wax off.

When I use a meter just touching the antenna or standing by it affects the instrumention readings.

You may need to compromise to balance things out...when everything is said and done.
LOL WAX-ON WAX-OFF I LIKE THAT
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The winegard preamp HDP 269 was originally designed as a preamp to mate with the unamplified winegard squareshooter #SS1000. It was designed to operate in the suburban setting less than 30 or so miles from the towers. The winegard preamp HDP 269 has 12 Db of gain, very high overload tolerance (325,000 mv. which is 3 times more than the other high overload preamps), and only 3 db noise.

Preamps like the cm7777, cm7775, winegard ap8275, ap8700, ap 4800 were designed years ago to be used in the "boonies" over 35 miles to amplify weak signals where the signals were so weak that you did not have to worry about overload.

It is too bad that the hdp 269 has not yet caught on...and I have been plugging it like crazy. At my home, I am 19 miles from the towers, with an oversized antenna the HD8200P. There is an FM tower less then a mile from my home. I could NEVER use a conventional higher powered preamp until now...I tried but I got overload.

At my home I needed amplification of some sort because I split my signal 6 ways...4 short run and 2 long run. Since preamps overloaded my system and I am TOTALLY AGAINST using attenuators since attenuators affect and weaken all channels in the tv spectrum...I had to settle with a distribution amp.

This is where using an HDP269 is so cool.

It is a better alternative where you would have used a distribution amp to improve the signal for long cable runs in your home or could not use conventional preamps installed at the antenna.

Here is why...

-you are amplifying the signal at the antenna, not down the line thereby amplifying the signal closer to the source as opposed to after the signal has a chance to get noisy at the distribution amp point in the house.

-the gain is not much more than a standard in home distribution amp...12 db -vs 8 db which is typical.

-the preamp has only 3 db noise -vs.- 6db typical of distribution amps

-is more tolerant to overload because of its design (325,000 mv vs 85000 mv typical of other high tolerant preamps).

-has an internal FM trap to attenuate FM stations that can overload the signal if FM is an issue.

-is designed to not overload your ota receiver in the suburban and urban setting.

I am very happy with the results and wanted to share this alternative with you. I now have no need for attenuation, disconnected the distribution amp, and the pictures are very clean even on the weaker analog channels.

When I want to play and receive distant channels, I get the bonus of amplifing right at the antenna where I could not accomplish that before with preamps like the cm7777 in my suburban setting.

Hope I explained this well...because this is a great opportunity for folks needing to amplify in the urban and suburban settiing 0-35 miles or so from towers..
An excellent post from the past brings up a question. (Thanks Rick0725!!) Does anyone know if the HDP-269 actually has an FM trap that is always on? There is no on/off switch on the unit.

Thanks!!
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No FM trap in the HDP269.
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No FM trap in the HDP269.
Rick,

You were correct in your original post. I contacted Winegard, & they indicated that it in fact does have an FM trap that is always on with about 18db of attenuation. I would still assume that it doesn't attenuate much in the 88-91 MHZ area though.
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That is good to know hoopitup!

I have a 269, and I was all ready to post a NO to the question. The way the instructions that came with it read it appears the unit doesn't have an FM filter:

"FM TRAP OPERATION (Not applicable to Models AP-4700, AP-4800, or HDP-269)"

It then goes on to explain the switchable/tunable FM trap, but nowhere does it say there is a fixed trap on the models taken exception to at the beginning.

"APPLY LABEL
NOTE: A label is supplied so you can enter the installation date...
For models without traps, apply the label to the bottom opening of the preamplifier to seal openings.
"

Winegard may want to change the instruction sheet so this is clarified...

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I would still assume that it doesn't attenuate much in the 88-91 MHZ area though.
So you would recommend a secondary FM filter if strong transmissions are present in this freq rge then?
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Page 6 of the Winegard Product Brochure specifically states NO FM TRAP for the Winegard 269.

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