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Old 01-17-2006, 07:33 AM   #1  
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I apologize if this is not the appropriate forum- I am not sure where exactly to post. I have a Sony KDF-42WE655 television. It is HD ready- no integrated HD tuner. At least I am under the impression there isn't. I am in Terre Haute, In. 47804. No local station here broadcasts anything in HD. When I had my Tv search for channels, (for over the air broadcasts) it had 2 for the local CBS affiliate- channel 10 (the regular one) and 10.1. Some things look awful and all stretched out on 10.1. The other day I had it on 10.1 for an NFL game, and it looked great. It was in widescreen too. Would this just be a digital standard broadcast whereas 10 is analog? Or could I be wrong and maybe my TV has a HD tuner? Even though it looked great, it wasn't HD as far as I was concerned. My antenna is just an inexpensive one I got for locals at a home improvement store. It isn't for HD as far as I know.

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Old 01-17-2006, 12:12 PM   #2  
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From what I see, your TV has a Built-In HDTV Tuner. At least that's what the internet tells me.

There is no special HD antenna, whatever one you have it hooked up to is what must be pulling in your CBS analog and HD stations. 10 would be the analog, and 10.1 would be the HD. The reason it probably looked stretched is because you must have your TV set to stretch SD broadcasts. Not all programs broadcast on an HD channel are in HD, that is why a true HD broadcast (the football game) looks like it should.

I've also noticed that CBS's HD football games aren't as great as ABC or even Fox.
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Old 01-17-2006, 12:29 PM   #3  
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more info...

According to your manual:

Pressing "WIDE" repeatedly will toggle between full and normal view.
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Old 01-17-2006, 04:05 PM   #4  
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I apologize if this is not the appropriate forum- I am not sure where exactly to post. I have a Sony KDF-42WE655 television. It is HD ready- no integrated HD tuner. At least I am under the impression there isn't. I am in Terre Haute, In. 47804. No local station here broadcasts anything in HD. When I had my Tv search for channels, (for over the air broadcasts) it had 2 for the local CBS affiliate- channel 10 (the regular one) and 10.1. Some things look awful and all stretched out on 10.1. The other day I had it on 10.1 for an NFL game, and it looked great. It was in widescreen too. Would this just be a digital standard broadcast whereas 10 is analog? Or could I be wrong and maybe my TV has a HD tuner? Even though it looked great, it wasn't HD as far as I was concerned. My antenna is just an inexpensive one I got for locals at a home improvement store. It isn't for HD as far as I know.

All Sony TV's with model numbers starting KD have buiilt-in ATSC digital tuners (the D stands for digital). So yes, the KDF-42WE655 has a built-in HD (as you call it) tuner. It can handle all 18 ATSC formats, including the 6 HD formats.

Channel 10 is analogue. Channel 10.1 is digital, but not necessarity HD. If you press "Display" on your TV's remote, the format of the signal the set is receiving will be displayed as either NTSC for analogue broadcasts or 480i, 480p, 720p or 1080i for digital.

When in doubt, read the manual.

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Old 01-17-2006, 06:06 PM   #5  
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I've also noticed that CBS's HD football games aren't as great as ABC or even Fox.
Brian and Homer are right -- you've got HDTV! However I think CBS's HD football games are as great if not better than ABC and FOX. CBS doesn't send a progressive signal but they broadcast in 1080i .. ABC and FOX broadcast in 720p.

If your TV doesn't support 1080 -- or if your TV's native resolution is at 720 -- then CBS's HD coverage will not look as good as ABC's and FOX because the latter 2 stations broadcast in exactly the same way your TV wants to show its stuff. It's possible your tuner/receiver or TV has to convert 1080i to 720p so that it fits on your TV. By the way my TV's native resolution is 1080i and so I guess that's why CBS looks best on my TV.

If you thought the CBS football game didn't seem as good as HD should I'm not sure what to say except perhaps you should continue hitting the "Display" button as suggested by BrianO until you match CBS's broadcast at 1080i. Another test would be -- if you catch NBC's DTV watch The Jay Leno Show (or Conan O'Brien), both are broadcast in 1080i. It's just another way to check the HD signal. I checked and NBC in your area is 36.1

CBS - 10.1
NBC - 36.1
FOX - 39.1

(One more thing, this only applies if you have an Audio/Video receiver that has Dolby Digital decoding abilities -- I feel CBS's Dolby Digital audio for the football games is best, followed by ABC then finally FOX. Fox is last because they mix the audio channels in a weird way.)

ryseja -- your 10.1 will show everything fine in HD widescreen broadcasts but when the signal is in a 4:3 (but digital-tv) format (or even if it's standard-tv, but in 4:3) your TV tries to stretch the signal to cover your entire screen.

and yeah, you don't need an HDTV antenna -- any antenna can catch the signal, it's the tuner/decoder that is apparently built into your TV that is necessary to understand that signal.
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What really confused me is I am pretty sure the local affiliate didn't broadcast anytjhing at all in HD, so maybe I was wrong, or they have started. If it is in true widescreen, does that meran it is HD?
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What some stations do is, even on their HD channel, stretch SD programming to fit the widescreen format. Most HD stations send their signal always in widescreen 1080i or 720p, so your TV recognizes the program in HD widescreen, and if this is the case, there is nothing you can do about it. This is a matter with the TV station.
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What really confused me is I am pretty sure the local affiliate didn't broadcast anytjhing at all in HD, so maybe I was wrong, or they have started. If it is in true widescreen, does that meran it is HD?
Yes, it's safe to say that "true widescreen" is probably HDTV. If it's Standard Television that's stretched you'd be able to tell.

go to: http://www.antennaweb.org and type in your address, or zipcode, and you'll get all the digital channels in your area (click on the "digital stations only" radio button after they pull up all the stations). You can even get a map showing you where the stations are in relation to the address you give them.
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Yes, it's safe to say that "true widescreen" is probably HDTV.
UK programs are now made using widescreen, but not HD, equipment. They are shown in a clipped 14:9 version on UK analogue channels but in full widescreen on the new digital channels. In Canada, CBC was showing UK programs in the 14:9 format but is now showing them in full 16:9 widescreen. Perhaps some US stations are also showing non-HD UK programs in 16:9.
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I wasn't aware of that -- I do know that some shows here, like ER, air in what seems to be 14:9 as well. When ryseja said "true widescreen" i assumed he meant 16:9, and as far as I know only HD broadcasts are in 16:9 here.

The best way to know whether you're watching HD or not is to watch those shows which you know are simutaneously broadcast in HD (primetime shows, the late show) -- a show like The Tonight Show with Jay Leno or the Conan O'Brien show would be in widescreen whereas normally they aren't.
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