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Old 04-20-2019, 05:11 PM   #1  
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Hi!

Been lurking for a long time, but finally have a need to post.

I went on a vacation deep in the mountains/woods of Northwestern PA last year and the TV options were less than ideal. The houses we stayed in did not have great cable options and there were football games we were wanting to watch.

Planning on going up again, and was wondering if it would be even possible to get local channels. Specifically, looking for an ABC station.

I have a Clearstream 4 I was planning to take. I also have a CM7777. I'd prefer to limit the height of the mast to 10', but I could probably go a bit higher. Remember, this is only a temporary setup for several days, so it won't be permanent.

(I'm not allowed to post links, so the links below are after tvfool dot com
Here is the report using 10 ft antenna height:
?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038d53d02d23 f

This uses a 20ft height:
?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d903828fb06726 0

Any suggestions/recommendations on setup? Do I have any chance of picking up ABC? Also, with the above setup at 10ft, would the Clearstream 4 be enough for FOX, CBS, NBC? Would adding the CM7777 help/hurt?

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Old 04-21-2019, 07:26 AM   #2  
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I get:

Signal Analysis Report
The requested report ID is no longer on our server. To start a new analysis, click here.
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:39 AM   #3  
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Hi rbinck,
Thanks for your help!

It seems that when I posted, it inserted a space before the last character of the 2 links. Those spaces shouldn't be there. It should be:

1.
?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038d53d02d23 f
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?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d903828fb06726 0

A few more posts and I can post the complete link!

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Ahhhh....it did it again. I'm not sure why it is inserting those spaces.

for number 1, it should be:
=id%3d9038d53d02d23f

#2
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:42 AM   #5  
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Hello, robinsmw; welcome to the forum.

The space in the short link confuses the TVFool server. It's not your fault, the spaces often show up in a short link. Here are the reports:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...9038d53d02d23f

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...903828fb067260

WJET ABC is too weak on both reports, but it is stronger at 20 feet.

There are errors in the current TVFool reports because of a defective database. I will try to run a report using another site based on my estimate of your temporary location. It would be easier if you could send me the coordinates of the antenna at the temporary location in a PM.

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Old 04-21-2019, 08:43 AM   #6  
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Well...I messed up #2:

=id%3d903828fb067260

I hope that makes sense.

If not, I should be able to post the full links soon.

Thanks so much!
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:51 AM   #7  
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Hi Rabbit73,
Thanks for your help. Sorry if I confused anyone.

I sent you a PM with the address and coordinates.

I would also be curious why WKBW isn't showing up on the reports anywhere. It's ABC in Buffalo, which should be closer than the other ABC stations showing up on the report.

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Old 04-21-2019, 09:35 AM   #8  
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Thank you for the address and coordinates. Here is a report from rabbitears.info that shows WKBW. It's strong enough, but the trees in your area will block TV signals. Try to avoid them as much as possible.



WKBW will be moving from channel 38 to 34.
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.p...&callsign=WKBW

Buffalo Repack Plan:
https://www.rabbitears.info/repackch...=&lss=&status=
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Wow, thanks so much. This is encouraging.

So you're saying theres a chance, with a clearstream 4, cm7777 and 20 ft of height.

Would anyone else have suggested setup given the report?

I'll try and setup in a location to minimize the impact of trees, but they are all over the place.

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Old 04-21-2019, 11:40 AM   #10  
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Wow, thanks so much. This is encouraging.
You are welcome.

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So you're saying there's a chance, with a clearstream 4, cm7777 and 20 ft of height.
Yes, there is a chance with the CS4 and the 7777, but the 20 feet might not be enough depending upon the trees. Trees block UHF signals more than VHF signals. The signal report is only a computer simulation that doesn't take into account the trees; it only uses ground elevation.
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/siting.html
scroll down to Trees and UHF

Here is the FCC Longley-Rice coverage map. You are in the orange/tan, but it doesn't include ground clutter like trees:



WKBW plans to increase its power from 358 to 660 kW ERP when they move to real channel 34 during Phase 8 of Repack, 1/18/2020 to 3/13/2020

https://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?...ms&facid=54176

https://www.fcc.gov/about-fcc/fcc-in...ition-schedule

https://www.commlawcenter.com/2017/0...deadlines.html

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Would anyone else have suggested setup given the report?
I don't know what anyone else would have suggested; maybe they will say now. Some might say forget it if you can't get above the trees. I would have suggested a taller mast and the Antennas Direct 91XG or the Solid Signal HDB91X for a little more gain.
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I'll try and setup in a location to minimize the impact of trees, but they are all over the place.
It's worth a try, but I can't give you a guarantee.

Report from FCC DTV map site in second attachment.
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The easiest station to receive is WNYB, a religious station that won’t have any football.

WKBW (ABC) will the next easiest station for you to receive. After August 2, 2019 there will be a channel 36 located on WIVB’s old tower in Colden. It will be the third strongest station. There is currently a petition at the FCC to swap programming on channel 36 from FOX to CBS.
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Old 04-21-2019, 07:41 PM   #12  
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Thanks rabbit73!

Especially all the links. I'm sure I'll spend endless hours looking at the coverage maps. I wish it was a bit more user friendly.

I'll check out the Antennas Direct 91XG and Solid Signal HDB91X. I'm not opposed to getting another antenna for this purpose, I'm just concerned about the weight given my proposed mast (more below). Since it's temporary, I can't attach to the house, and don't really want to go into the ground for fear of hitting underground utilities. And pouring concrete for a temporary setup is a no go.

As for the trees and mast height. I'm going the Friday after Thanksgiving, so leaves shouldn't be a problem. The trees I can't do anything about, except try and get as clear as I can. There are mature trees all over and trying to get above them with a temporary setup would be problematic. I said 20' because I think that is a reasonable height I can achieve, given the temporary nature of my setup.

I'm thinking of these mounts to hook to my truck:
http://flagpoletogo.com/product/flag...v=7516fd43adaa

or the DIY version:
http://www.n1gy.com/a-tilt-mount-for...ler-hitch.html

or something like this:
https://www.k1cra.com/mobile/Product.aspx?id=37768

For the mast, I was thinking this:
https://www.k1cra.com/mobile/product...ctCode=MAST21B

or this:
https://www.channelmaster.com/TV_Ant..._p/cm-1830.htm

It doesn't have to withstand 70mph winds, I could just take it down, I just want it to be able to hold up for a few days w/o blowing over, with light/moderate winds.

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Thanks Tower Guy! I'm interested in football, specifically college on Saturday (ABC) and pro on Sunday (Fox/CBS). It's just a bunch of guys at deer camp, with nothing to due on Sunday, so football and local news for weather is all we're really interested in getting.

Thanks everyone for your help!
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:56 AM   #13  
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I built my own drive on tilt over using a piece of plywood with two 2x4s screwed into it and a long bolt that went through both 2x4s and the bottom of the mast. Next I had a 2x4 that mounted to the roof rack and had two holes drilled for a u-bolt to fasten to the mast. I used wing nuts on the u-bolt. That made it easy for me to tilt up a heavy UHF antenna.
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I built my own drive on tilt over using a piece of plywood with two 2x4s screwed into it and a long bolt that went through both 2x4s and the bottom of the mast. Next I had a 2x4 that mounted to the roof rack and had two holes drilled for a u-bolt to fasten to the mast. I used wing nuts on the u-bolt. That made it easy for me to tilt up a heavy UHF antenna.
nice, how about a picture? You could help somebody else looking for a temporary solution.
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Old 04-25-2019, 11:46 AM   #15  
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Yes, a picture would be great!

As I continue to think this through, I'm thinking:
- get a pallet
- screw some 2"x6"s to the top of the pallet
- bolt/lag/screw a base like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Flagpole-To-G...15215486&psc=1
- use cinder blocks for ballast

The benefit is, I could still use my truck for the few days I'm there without taking down the antenna and also, could move it around where I could pick up the best signal and not be limited to the driveway. The con, is that I'm not sure how many cinder blocks I would need to hold the pallet down. I was thinking of going 20' w/ the antenna, but maybe that's too high for the pallet idea.

Anyway....constantly thinking of ideas, would love to hear others.
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