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Old 04-04-2019, 09:02 AM   #1  
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My 12 year old Channel Master pre-amp finally kicked the bucket. It has been so stable over the years I have not kept up with current equipment. Is the Channel Master CM-7777 still considered the best choice for UHF and High VHF for fringe reception with a fairly long run? Are there better choices?
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The current 7777 is nothing like the old one. There are multiple variations of it and you now actually need to know what you're doing before picking whatever version you end up with.

If you post your TVFool plot, identify your antenna(s), and describe your cable runs, we can better point you in the right direction.
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Default What about the Televes pre amp?

I meant to search this before on this forum but I don't recall seeing much about this Televes amp. It's a European company who sells pretty much everything through solid signal although I have found this particular amp on Amazon for about $20 cheaper :

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=536040

They also have a version that allows you to put the three inputs in, two UHF and one VHF. The gain is supposed to be variable as it is supposed to internally regulate amplification based on the signal strength. I can neither confirm or deny these claims. Does anybody have experience with these?

Here's the 2 input version; 3 input similar:



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I wonder how they magically solve the phase cancellation problems with combining two UHF antennas pointing in different directions???
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I wonder how they magically solve the phase cancellation problems with combining two UHF antennas pointing in different directions???
Yes, I was wondering that myself . Also, I posted a question on Solid Signal's Tech page. Do you still have their own forum , I wonder what happened? Now , It's actually a Facebook page.

Basically I was asking them if they amplify the signal before they combine it or do they combine it and then amplify it? I had to ask a question a couple different ways and it finally got this answer.
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"sorry for the delay in answering. It auto gain controls the two sources and then combines and then amplifies."

It's also supposed to be a somewhat noisy amp from their own YouTube video.


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Auto Gain??? Thats a variable amplifier, then amp it again after combining??? Someone needs to back to engineering school...RF 101.....I would hate to see the output on a spectrum analyzer.
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Auto Gain??? Thats a variable amplifier, then amp it again after combining??? Someone needs to back to engineering school...RF 101.....I would hate to see the output on a spectrum analyzer.
I Hope someone here can explain the concept of auto-gain. A lot of claims about this preamp.

For some reason, I can see the image I put on the earlier post on my Android phone but no on my Windows PC. Hmmm....

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Yes, I was wondering that myself . Also, I posted a question on Solid Signal's Tech page. Do you still have their own forum , I wonder what happened? Now , It's actually a Facebook page.

Basically I was asking them if they amplify the signal before they combine it or do they combine it and then amplify it? I had to ask a question a couple different ways and it finally got this answer.
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"sorry for the delay in answering. It auto gain controls the two sources and then combines and then amplifies."

It's also supposed to be a somewhat noisy amp from their own blvideo.

An auto gain circuit is an amp with a variable attenuator. That would make the noise figure worse. The specs say the NF is 10 dB; waaaay too high.

I'm concerned about the combiner. I don't understand how it can be any better than a splitter in reverse used as a combiner. The reviews on Amazon don't impress me.





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My 12 year old Channel Master pre-amp finally kicked the bucket. It has been so stable over the years I have not kept up with current equipment. Is the Channel Master CM-7777 still considered the best choice for UHF and High VHF for fringe reception with a fairly long run? Are there better choices?
Bama29 never did post his TVFool report, so we can't give him specific advice about a good preamp for him.
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An auto gain circuit is an amp with a variable attenuator. That would make the noise figure worse. The specs say the NF is 10 dB; way to high.

I'm concerned about the combiner. I don't understand how it can be any better than a splitter in reverse used as a combiner. The reviews on Amazon don't impress me.

Wow, I saw that 10 DB noise figure! While everybody in the amp business is trying to get noise under 1 to 2 DB they're in the stratosphere with noise!

Yes, some of the reviews were pretty bad. Things like putting a defective return back in the box and reselling it! Also the instructions seem to be an issue and then the attachment of the cable with no connectors just clamping the cables. That would make me nervous also.

A lot of people though seem to be happy with it. Either they were doing something wrong before with their other amps and antennas or this thing does help some folks.

I don't think I would buy it because that 10 DB noise figure is horrible! And even though they're saying it's Auto gain, some are saying they still had to adjust it??? I would think if it was idle game they wouldn't have to adjust it.

One reviewer was pissed he put the Televes pre-amp all the way up and had to take his mast back down because it didn't work. Yikes!!

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I was never crazy about the Televes products.

Find a trusty AP-8700, as they are great for medium gain and high overload.
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Wow, I saw that 10 DB noise figure! While everybody in the amp business is trying to get noise under 1 to 2 DB they're in the stratosphere with noise!

Yes, some of the reviews were pretty bad. Things like putting a defective return back in the box and reselling it! Also the instructions seem to be an issue and then the attachment of the cable with no connectors just clamping the cables. That would make me nervous also.

A lot of people though seem to be happy with it. Either they were doing something wrong before with their other amps and antennas or this thing does help some folks.

I don't think I would buy it because that 10 DB noise figure is horrible! And even though they're saying it's Auto gain, some are saying they still had to adjust it??? I would think if it was idle game they wouldn't have to adjust it.

One reviewer was pissed he put the Televes pre-amp all the way up and had to take his mast back down because it didn't work. Yikes!!
This is why I always mount the pre-amp where it can be easily reached for service, if you have a 40 foot mast and need to drop it to check the pre-amp, then the 34 foot run of coax to the antenna from the per-amp at 6 foot above ground/roof peak is worth it.
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I owned one of these for a while.

https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=149483

It worked well in my location which is an urban area surrounded by strong signals. The built in pre amp does have a variable signal strength gauge that allows the pre amp to adjust the amount of gain needed for ample reception on channels that are obtainable at that location.

I replaced it with a Super G 1483 8 bay knock off and I have to admit that didn't work as well as the Televes at this location. And now I am trying one of those tiny RCA Yagi antennas and that along with a RCA pre amp is actually giving me more signal break up than the other two antennas did.

If the pre amp you are interested in is the same technology as the one in the DAT 790 MIX antenna that I owned, I will recommend it even for strong signal areas.
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My 12 year old Channel Master pre-amp finally kicked the bucket. It has been so stable over the years I have not kept up with current equipment. Is the Channel Master CM-7777 still considered the best choice for UHF and High VHF for fringe reception with a fairly long run? Are there better choices?
The Winegard LNA-200 has all the gain you need and tye low noise figure and immunity from overload the others don't have.
And it's supporting AMERICAN jobs instead of Chinese slavery
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