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Old 02-11-2019, 10:30 AM   #1  
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I moved to a rural area a couple years ago and decided to forgo the satellite route and opted for streaming backed up with OTA programming. I dipped my toe in with one of the cheap "150 mile range, rotating" ray gun looking antennas. I got a few channels and was mostly satisfied. I decided recently to see if I could do better.
I had the antenna rotated to the southeast (that's my local market). I tried fine tuning that direction in order to get all the major channels in the market but wasn't able to.

I decided on a whim to try the next best thing and rotated it to the northeast for that market and was able to pick up all the major channels but PBS.

I was thinking about moving away from the "ray gun" antenna so after a bit of researching I settled on trying a 8 bay bow tie antenna. The thought process was that I would aim half the bays to the northeast and the other 2 to the southeast and possibly get more local news from the stronger stations located in that direction. This weekend I tried out the new antenna (Xtreme Signal HDB8X-NI) and got worse reception than with the ray gun. Granted the new one was not amplified and the ray gun is.

I guess my question is, Should I go with an amplifier for the bow tie or just try a different style antenna all together or just stick with whats working .

Here is my TV Fool report (add the rest of the tv fool address to the front)
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I get:

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Maybe I can attach a picture of the report
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No such thing as a ""150 mile"" TV antenna, it's a big marketing lie, and false advertising, the curve of the Earth gets in the way after 70 miles.

To get direct line of sight (LOS in the TVfool reports, the only way for error free signals on OTA stations) at 150 miles the transmitter would need to be on a 5000 foot mountain and so would you.

Do a few more posts (5 needed) and post the real link as the other one does not work.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:57 AM   #5  
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Hello, drauka99; welcome to the forum.

I got the link to work:
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...903839026757f3

The report is similar to your image, but the address was entered a different way. You must have run the report a second time.

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OK good thanks Rabbit, now...To get a good signal on the ABC station (and others) you should raise the antenna AGL to about 25 feet or more.

This is what s going on at 15 feet, the Earth is getting in the way...http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...dALLTV%26n%3d6
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I understand the 150 mile claim is false advertising, my question revolved more around why a "better" quality antenna got worse results and that if a quality amplifier would possibly push the results to better than the "ray gun".

As said, i am only really wanting more reception on real channels 13 or 18(ABC) and 10 or 28 or 31(PBS) without giving up the channels I am able to get now. A bonus would be the channels to the South-East since they cover the news for my local area more. The channels to the West-South-West would be nice but a very long shot.

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Your report image:



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I understand the 150 mile claim is false advertising, my question revolved more around why a "better" quality antenna got worse results and that if a quality amplifier would possibly push the results to better than the "ray gun".

As said, i am only really wanting more reception on real channels 13 or 18(ABC) and 10 or 28 or 31(PBS) without giving up the channels I am able to get now. A bonus would be the channels to the South-East since they cover the news for my local area more. The channels to the West-South-West would be nice but a very long shot.
Try raising the AGL in your report, the stations you want are below the RF horizon, the higher the antenna the better it will work.

As to the antenna, take a look around the area, see what others are using, the so called raygun antenna may have a tighter front end then the panel antenna.

On your TVfool report, if you click on the stations call letters it will give you a horizontal plot, this will give you an idea on how high you may need to go, just add 10 feet at a time to the AGL and see what happens, a station listed as first or second edge may change to LOS. (Line Of Sight)

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You will need a separate VHF antenna and preamp for WMBB ABC 13.

There is no easy fix for your location because your desired channels are in many directions with varying strengths.

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I'll have to see about a pole to raise the antennas to try again. Currently its mounted on an pole mounted at the eave peak.
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Ok,. So throwing the ball for the dogs just now and I managed to damage the cheap antenna. It's still working for the strong channels but the Fox channel that I really like is now not coming in. 34 (real 33 I think)
What would y'all recommend for a replacement, yagi and a preamp? It would currently be installed on the same pole the other one was on the eave so around the same height +-20'AGL. Was looking at a Channel Master CM-2020. Not sure on amp.

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Ok,. So throwing the ball for the dogs just now and I managed to damage the cheap antenna. It's still working for the strong channels but the Fox channel that I really like is now not coming in. 34 (real 33 I think)
That was unfortunate. Yes, Fox is real 33. It's your weakest desired channel.
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What would y'all recommend for a replacement, yagi and a preamp? It would currently be installed on the same pole the other one was on the eave so around the same height +-20'AGL. Was looking at a Channel Master CM-2020. Not sure on amp.
There are several possible solutions. One would be an antenna with a rotator; the other a few fixed antennas.

How many TVs do you have connected to the antenna? Are they able to add a channel after scan so that you don't have to rescan every time you change direction?

You could always buy another "150-mile" antenna and add a second antenna for ABC on 13.

If you were able to get Fox on real channel 33, were you also able to get WDHN ABC, real channel 21, with your "150-mile" antenna?

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I think I can manually add channels after the inital scan. I only have 2 TVs that will be connected. The current amp/rotator box split the signal as well so I have both tvs coaxial lines ran to that location.

I am pretty sure I am just going to stick with the channels I have now instead of trying to get the channels from the other area (13). So a fixed antenna would be preferable.

Yes I was able to reliably get WDHN with the cheap antenna.

Sometimes with weather the Fox channel would have degraded signal intermittently, so I was hoping a better quality system might help with that.
But I am open to just getting another one of the cheap ones if that is the better cost/benefit option.
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I am pretty sure I am just going to stick with the channels I have now instead of trying to get the channels from the other area (13). So a fixed antenna would be preferable.
Oh, OK.

Do you still have the HDB8X? What I'm thinking of is that if you aim both panels at Fox at 63 degrees, the stronger channels at 93 degrees will be made a little weaker because of the HDB8X antenna pattern, making less difference between your strongest and weakest channels. This might make it possible to add a preamp like the Antennas Direct Juice which can tolerate overload.
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