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Old 06-25-2018, 02:16 AM   #1
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Oh, where to begin? Alright, I'll just come out truthfully right here, right now, so as not to drag this out. Basically, in a fit of rage, I canceled my cable and returned all of the equipment. Later that same day... I picked up an old antenna out of the dumpster [Edit: I'm calling it "The Rescue"] and mounted it on a mast and ran some wire. Voila! Free OTA TV. Yeah... okay it's some Yagi style antenna, the rear VHF portion of which has been broken off, some of the UHF elements are broken and missing as well. Additionally, it's mounted directly under high voltage wires. Yet surprisingly it pulls in quite a number of channels. (It's getting a little help from a radioshack 4-way splitter/booster with adjustable gain) So now that it's been a few years, I'm basically tired of seeing that busted heap everytime I look up.

TVFool report:
www tvfool com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038c3b6ed5ced

As shown in the above report, basically the bulk of my stations come in at about 45* and 95* giving me a 50 deg tower split. The busted heap is mounted so as to split the difference. All stations above 100*, I have no desire to receive. All of the stations I want are 29 miles or less except FOX, which is 52 miles.

Recently, I have picked up two AntennaCraft CC-17 antennas. Both are in excellent condition. I'm considering mounting them about 4 feet apart vertically on the mast, each pointed at it's respective target, and combining them.

Question 1: Is it ill advised to combine the two antennas considering I have a mere 50 deg split?

Another issue is that the CC-17 are both UHF antennas and I want to get channel 7. This brings me to

Question 2: Since neither of the CC-17 have VHF capability, how should I go about remedying that situation?

I was considering finding a VHF antenna and mounting it up there as well. Then using a UHF/VHF diplexer to pair up with one CC-17. Then using a signal combiner to to pair up to the second CC-17.

Question 3: Is this a ridiculous idea that I should throw out along with the busted heap?

Perhaps I should just start fresh and invest in a newer, bigger, better, shinier, and more powerful antenna. Obviously, I'm trying to limit the expenses here, say under $150 for a new antenna.

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Old 06-25-2018, 06:21 AM   #2
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You need 5 posts to be able to post a link, so go to www.tvfool.com and get your report. Then post the URL information after the www.tvfool.com part.

With that we can better advise you.

Combining two antennas pointed in different directions is a bad idea because they will still cancel each other.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:55 AM   #3
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Here's the report for the OP:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...9038c3b6ed5ced


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Question 1: Is it ill advised to combine the two antennas considering I have a mere 50 deg split?
Have a considered a rotor/rotator?
EXAMPLE:
https://www.solidsignal.com/pview.as...source=inhouse

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Question 2: Since neither of the CC-17 have VHF capability, how should I go about remedying that situation?
http://www.newark.com/stellar-labs/3...nt14&source=CJ
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...tenna-Kit.html

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Combining two TV antennas pointing in different directions will cause more problems then do any good.

When Co-phasing or combining TV antennas, they need to be pointing in the same direction, and be properly spaced on the mast, the coax used must also be correctly cut to the right lengths, and a low loss signal combiner should be used.

In your case an A/B coax switch can be used to get the most signals at your location, or a TV antenna rotor as InYourEyes2 has mentioned would work.

As to getting the VHF channels, I would get an antenna with VHF capabilities as trying to combine a UHF and VHF antenna is a bit tricky.
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:46 PM   #5
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Combining two TV antennas pointing in different directions will cause more problems then do any good.

When Co-phasing or combining TV antennas, they need to be pointing in the same direction, and be properly spaced on the mast, the coax used must also be correctly cut to the right lengths, and a low loss signal combiner should be used.

In your case an A/B coax switch can be used to get the most signals at your location, or a TV antenna rotor as InYourEyes2 has mentioned would work.

As to getting the VHF channels, I would get an antenna with VHF capabilities as trying to combine a UHF and VHF antenna is a bit tricky.
That's not a problem when combine 2 antennas you should space the ANTENNA's 3ft apart ,good luck

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Um... there is a bit of a problem with this thread. It appears that my original post has gone missing. Would a moderator or administrator be so kind as to restore it? My fingers are getting tired from all of this typing and I'd rather not have to rewrite it.
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Try rbinck or ImRizzo
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Good luck finding one. It shows as out of stock and discontinued on that page.
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Thanks. I missed that.

Try one of these:

http://www.goldmine-elec-products.co...?number=G21474
https://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Dire.../dp/B008PBTPN4
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Um... there is a bit of a problem with this thread. It appears that my original post has gone missing. Would a moderator or administrator be so kind as to restore it? My fingers are getting tired from all of this typing and I'd rather not have to rewrite it.
It shows up for me. This one?

Oh, where to begin? Alright, I'll just come out truthfully right here, right now, so as not to drag this out. Basically, in a fit of rage, I canceled my cable and returned all of the equipment. Later that same day... I picked up an old antenna out of the dumpster [Edit: I'm calling it "The Rescue"] and mounted it on a mast and ran some wire. Voila! Free OTA TV. Yeah... okay it's some Yagi style antenna, the rear VHF portion of which has been broken off, some of the UHF elements are broken and missing as well. Additionally, it's mounted directly under high voltage wires. Yet surprisingly it pulls in quite a number of channels. (It's getting a little help from a radioshack 4-way splitter/booster with adjustable gain) So now that it's been a few years, I'm basically tired of seeing that busted heap everytime I look up.

TVFool report:
www tvfool com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038c3b6ed5ced

As shown in the above report, basically the bulk of my stations come in at about 45* and 95* giving me a 50 deg tower split. The busted heap is mounted so as to split the difference. All stations above 100*, I have no desire to receive. All of the stations I want are 29 miles or less except FOX, which is 52 miles.

Recently, I have picked up two AntennaCraft CC-17 antennas. Both are in excellent condition. I'm considering mounting them about 4 feet apart vertically on the mast, each pointed at it's respective target, and combining them.

Question 1: Is it ill advised to combine the two antennas considering I have a mere 50 deg split?

Another issue is that the CC-17 are both UHF antennas and I want to get channel 7. This brings me to

Question 2: Since neither of the CC-17 have VHF capability, how should I go about remedying that situation?

I was considering finding a VHF antenna and mounting it up there as well. Then using a UHF/VHF diplexer to pair up with one CC-17. Then using a signal combiner to to pair up to the second CC-17.

Question 3: Is this a ridiculous idea that I should throw out along with the busted heap?

Perhaps I should just start fresh and invest in a newer, bigger, better, shinier, and more powerful antenna. Obviously, I'm trying to limit the expenses here, say under $150 for a new antenna.
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It shows up for me. This one?
Thank you for repeating his post. It didn't show for me either using IE11 even with a Compatibility View setting or with Firefox.

It also doesn't show in his list of posts.
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Um... there is a bit of a problem with this thread. It appears that my original post has gone missing. Would a moderator or administrator be so kind as to restore it? My fingers are getting tired from all of this typing and I'd rather not have to rewrite it.
Welcome to the forum, HighTower

I hate that when it happens to me.

I have learned the hard way that it is often a good idea to copy, paste, and save a draft of a long post before adding it to a thread.
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Recently, I have picked up two AntennaCraft CC-17 antennas. Both are in excellent condition. I'm considering mounting them about 4 feet apart vertically on the mast, each pointed at it's respective target, and combining them.


If they were both aimed in the same direction, you would have increased gain, with the same horizontal beamwidth, but with reduced vertical beamwidth. However, if they are not aimed in the same direction, when the same signals arrive at the combining point they will interfere with each other if they are not in phase (arrive at the same instant). If you don't have the same signals after combining that you had when the antennas were separate, that method of combining doesn't work for you. You would have to try it, to see if it works.

I suggest you try just one aimed between the two directions. I can't find the beamwidth for that antenna, so I don't know if its beamwidth is wide enough. If it isn't, then I suggest an antenna with a wider beamwidth like the Antennas Direct C2V. It has a wider beamwidth (about 70 degrees) and a VHF dipole for 7. The new version of that antenna is the C2MAX, but you would have to order the accessory reflector for it to make it equivalent.

https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...-Complete.html
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I would just off those two antennas on Flebay and go with one like Rabbit mentioned, this would have the lesser effect of loosing too much hair, or throwing things off the roof.

Co-phasing two TV antennas is a big job, even for expert like us who have done it many times before, there are too many variables to just throw it up in the air and play around with the spacing and directions.
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