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Old 08-25-2017, 12:37 PM   #1  
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Sure wish I would have found this forum before I bought my first antenna. Bought a 150 mile amazon cheapie. I know, I know. I will say that it does work and I am getting stations from 77 miles away. I live in between Central and South Florida so I was more worried about buying something expensive and not getting anything. I was wrong there.

The antenna I have doesn't want to receive hi-v channels at all. I am trying to get WESH NBC 2 from Orlando. I can get WOFL with no problem and the tower in Bithlo is right next to the WESH tower.

Is there a cheaper maybe hi-v only antenna I can add to get that channel? I have read through the forum and most of you are going to tell me to trash this antenna. I will when it dies and I will invest in something else.
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Old 08-25-2017, 02:16 PM   #2  
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Welcome to the forum, kbangert

WESH, virtual channel 2.1, in Bithlo is indeed a VHF-High channel on real channel 11.

The 150-mile antennas sometimes work OK in some locations, but they don't hold up too well. Can you tell us which one you bought? That type of antenna usually only has a simple folded dipole for VHF-High and tries to make up for the lack with a high-gain amplifier.

We need to see your tvfool report, which you can do here:
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?opti...pper&Itemid=29

I realize you can't give an active link yet, so just give us the short link like this:
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Old 08-25-2017, 02:24 PM   #3  
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MCM 30-2475 or 76
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:40 PM   #4  
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No such thing as a 150 mile TV antenna, not for what we are using them for.(domestic TV reception)

The TV transmitter would have to be at 10,000 feet before you would get enough clearance from the Earth, and no kids the Earth is not flat as some think.
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Old 08-25-2017, 06:51 PM   #5  
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No such thing as a 150 mile TV antenna, not for what we are using them for.(domestic TV reception)

The TV transmitter would have to be at 10,000 feet before you would get enough clearance from the Earth, and no kids the Earth is not flat as some think.
I think I have seen you explain that in multiple threads already lol.

I purchased a SKYTV Digital TV Antenna. "150 Miles", power over coax, rotation.

Here is the back half of the TVfool link:
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Here is the full link.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a41484acc5af

And it should work as long as it's pointing in the right direction.(237 to 235 degrees)
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Old 08-26-2017, 06:45 AM   #7  
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For now, it's more of an eyeball job. I know I am close since I can get WOFL from a nearby tower at 75% signal strength. I get nothing on channel 11.

There is a hi-v NBC in South Florida too but I have many trees in the way by facing the antenna south. When I originally tested I didn't get WPTV 5 when facing that way. Since it was at test, I was only 10 ft off the ground.
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Old 08-26-2017, 06:47 AM   #8  
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MCM 30-2475 or 76
Would it be better to add that or scrap my current setup for the Channel Master 4228HD?
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Old 08-26-2017, 07:53 AM   #9  
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Here is the full link.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a41484acc5af

And it should work as long as it's pointing in the right direction.(237 to 235 degrees)
WESH is at 328 degrees true/335 degrees magnetic.
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:25 AM   #10  
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I purchased a SKYTV Digital TV Antenna
IF I wanted to buy a "150-mile" antenna, that is the one I would buy.
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Here is the back half of the TVfool link:
?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3de6a41484acc5a f
Thank you for the short link. It is only for your zip code, so it might not be accurate enough, but it is a good start.



A report based an your exact address (which would not show) with your antenna height entered, would be more accurate.

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Would it be better to add that or scrap my current setup for the Channel Master 4228HD?
Your first post said:
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Is there a cheaper maybe hi-v only antenna I can add to get that channel?
so I gave an answer to fit the question. The MCM VHF-High antennas are inexpensive, but it would be necessary to run a separate coax line and combine the two antennas after the SKY antenna power supply inside.
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/produc...-2475-/30-2475
or a little bigger with a little more gain:
http://www.mcmelectronics.com/produc...-2476-/30-2476
combine with this
https://www.antennasdirect.com/store...Combiners.html

avoid the MCM 33-2230 combiner because it has higher losses.
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Would it be better to add that or scrap my current setup for the Channel Master 4228HD?
No, the 4228HD would be OK for UHF (real channels 14-51), but it doesn't have a lot of gain for VHF-High (real channels 7-13).

You would need the 4228HD, the MCM VHF antenna, a combiner and a preamp.

For a single-antenna solution, you would need a Winegard HD7694P antenna aimed at 335 degrees magnetic, and a preamp.

If the antenna is outside, the coax shield should be grounded with a grounding block that is connected to the house electrical system ground with 10 gauge copper wire for electrical safety and to reject interference. For further compliance with the electrical code (NEC), the mast should also be grounded in a similar manner to drain any buildup of static charge which will tend to discourage a strike, but the system will not survive a direct strike.

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I made a wild guess for your location. If this is more accurate, WESH is 12 dB weaker, and you will need to upgrade to a Winegard HD7698P antenna, or a 4228HD, an MCM 30-2476, and a combiner. Either system would require a preamp like the Antennas Direct Juice.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a47c3a80399d

If my guess is close, you might need an FM filter/trap to keep some strong FM signals from causing interference to the reception of WESH. They might be what is keeping you from being able to receive WESH with your preset antenna.

http://www.fmfool.com/modeling/tmp/1...b/Radar-FM.png

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Old 08-26-2017, 09:44 AM   #12  
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Here is the full link.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a41484acc5af

And it should work as long as it's pointing in the right direction.(237 to 235 degrees)
One too many scotches that night, small typo, 327 to 328 would be correct.

Thanks for pointing out my error Rabbit.
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Old 08-26-2017, 02:40 PM   #13  
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Thank you both very much for the suggestions thus far. I am going to create another reply.
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Old 08-26-2017, 02:41 PM   #14  
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Here is a TVfool report with my address on it. This should be a little more accurate. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e6a4b36fd2d788

I am leaving DirecTV so I have all the coax grounding in order. I would need to ground the mast. Could I use a grounding rod for that? I would estimate the antenna height is about 20ft from the ground. Using an eaves mount on a 10 ft pole.

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Would the FM filter go after the amp or before and does it utilize power pass?

Antenna > Filter > Amp?
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