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Old 10-09-2005, 10:03 PM   #1  
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I live way out in the boonies and my antenna right now only works "okay." I think its an old Radio Shack 120" (15-1718) along with an old Radio Shack amp (15-1108). I'm looking for a bigger and better antenna and amp (and probably a rotor to make it turn too). What do I need to look for in an antenna? The bigger the better? Name brand? More elements?

What do you recommend for the best and most extreme range?

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Old 10-10-2005, 11:25 AM   #2  
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Many recommend the Channel Master 4228 (for UHF and high VHF) and the Channel Master 7777 pre-amplifier.

Remember, the bigger, the better; the higher, the better - for the antenna, and use a rotator for signals from different directions.

Antennasdirect.com also has recommended antennas.
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Old 10-10-2005, 12:31 PM   #3  
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Many recommend the Channel Master 4228 (for UHF and high VHF) and the Channel Master 7777 pre-amplifier.

Remember, the bigger, the better; the higher, the better - for the antenna, and use a rotator for signals from different directions.

Antennasdirect.com also has recommended antennas.
So the CM 4228 will also do VHF? I looked on their site and they list it as a UHF antenna. Also, you suggested that the bigger - the better, but there are other bigger (in size) Channel Master antennas. How does the CM Crossfire line antennas compare with the 4228?
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It is not that it is a UHF antenna, but it does have some capability to pick up channels 7-13, 2-6 very poor.

Crossfire antennas are UHF/VHF. If you need VHF that might be the way to go. UHF only, go with the 4228.

If you are comparing the mileage claims of antennas, stay within a manufacturer only and take them with a grain of salt.

Remember, in antennas and mast height, BIGGER IS BETTER!
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Default 4228 OK for high band VHF

4228 may well be the best deep fringe UHF antenna made - it will work quite well for high band VHF - but not at all for low band VHF ( Channels 2-6) . I currently use mine to get our local PBS multi-SD feed on VHF 8 - works fine.
You need to consult antennaweb.org and figure out if the low band VHF is at all important to you? Complicating this decision is the fact that when analog goes away ( something I do not expect to happen on the FCC's schedule!) - the low band VHF could be used for DTV/HDTV. This is attractive to broadcasters because VHF as a transmission medium is way more effecient/effective than UHF - makes no difference whether it's NTSC or DTV.
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OK, once again, for clarity: the deep-fringe perscription is as follows,

1 Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna
1 Wade-Delhi VIP-306 VHF antenna
1 Channel Master Titan 7777 preamp
1 Channel Master 9521a rotator
30'+ antenna height from the ground
install carefully, avoid bodily injury
scan your digital tuner
sit back and enjoy all-channel analog and digital reception

Do NOT substitute!
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:51 PM   #7  
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OK, once again, for clarity: the deep-fringe perscription is as follows,

1 Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna
1 Wade-Delhi VIP-306 VHF antenna
Why get one UHF antenna and one VHF antenna? Why not get one that does both like the Channel Master Crossfire 3671?
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The antenna doesnt just go to one TV, but there is a splitter in my basement and sends the antenna signal to 3 TVs total. Now, would I need to get a Distribution Amplifier (like the Channel Master 3044) along with a pre-amp (like the Channel Master 7777)?
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Boonies means how far from what channels (UHF or VHF?)? Quality low noise pre-amps will definitly help over the at least questionable RS units. Xfires are fine for what they are - but not the equal of what Tgerbangs has recomended for real deep fringe - again - what range are you looking for? are all your DTV/HDTV channels at full licensed power or are some still STA's? Don't keep adding amps unless you have problems that they might cure. More is not always better and frequently makes no difference at best.
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Ok, here are some ranges:
Channel 4 CBS - 69.5 miles
Channel 6 NBC - 69.5 miles
Channel 8 ABC - 55.3 miles
Channel 18 FOX - 56.3 miles
Channel 19 ABC - 61.3 miles
Channel 22 PBS - 11.3 miles
Channel 24 PBS - 56.3 miles
Channel 25 NBC - 63.1 miles
Channel 26 WB - 27.3 miles
Channel 43 FOX - 82.5 miles
Channel 47 PBS - 62.0 miles

Basically I'm looking for the best possible UHF/VHF range. Right now, I'm looking at a:

- Channel Master Crossfire 3671 (antenna)
- Channel Master 7777 (pre-amp)
- Channel Master 9521A (rotator)

The Channel Master 3044 is a distribution amplifier.
http://www.channelmaster.com/Pages/T...ributnAmps.htm

I'm guessing since I have the antenna connected to 3 or 4 TVs, I'd need this? Am I correct in saying that an amplifier helps to "distribute" the signal to multiple locations whereas a pre-amp makes the signal more powerful by adding more gain?
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Are any of these DTV's? To some extent it doesn't make any difference - anything past 50 miles UHF is truly deep fringe - you can pretty much forget the 82 mile target ( unless you're on the side of a mountain) and you're gonna need all the help you can get even for some of the VHF's. Have you talked to any local antenna installers? What's on top of your neighbor's roofs?Deep fringe VHF antennas are all really BIG.
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Are any of these DTV's? To some extent it doesn't make any difference - anything past 50 miles UHF is truly deep fringe - you can pretty much forget the 82 mile target ( unless you're on the side of a mountain) and you're gonna need all the help you can get even for some of the VHF's. Have you talked to any local antenna installers? What's on top of your neighbor's roofs?Deep fringe VHF antennas are all really BIG.

Well, I can pick up that 82mile channel. It sometimes comes in and out, but I've watched an entire 30min w/o it messing up. I would like to get it near perfect (along with the rest).

There is a local antenna installation place. What I was thinking was buying all the equipment online (since it'll probably be cheaper) and have them install it.

A lot of my neighbors have those long tower like things with pretty big antennas on them. My antenna is just strapped to my roof (however I have a 2 story house and its on top of that whereas my neighbors have a one story house but with a long antenna tower thingy)


Anyone know the difference between a pre-amp and an amp?
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Why get one UHF antenna and one VHF antenna? Why not get one that does both like the Channel Master Crossfire 3671?
Gain. Which is the measurement of how well the antenna will receive signals. Looking at the test ran on the two at:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html
you can see the 4228 has more gain than the 3671 in the UHF band and even in the upper VHF band. Same is most likely true for the VHF antenna Tiger recommended. Combo antennas have to sacrifice some gain to cram all of the elements on the same boom. Speaking of which you need to mount the two antennas about 3 feet apart for best performance.

Now what could be done is to get a 4228 for the UHF and use the existing antenna for the VHF by removing the UHF elements and connecting the existing antenna to the VHF connection on the Titian preamp. It may be the UHF elements would not have to be removed, but I would just to be sure of no interference and to remove the shielding effect at the front of the antenna. If this does not work out, then the second VHF antenna could be used per Tiger's recommendations.

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Frankly am amazed you're pulling something in at 82 miles! Would recomend putting your self in the hands of your local antenna install firm - if they have managed to stay in buisness for any length of time - they will be competent. Shipping on antennas is a problem because they really aren't well packaged ( i think the manufactorers assume they are going to be shipped on a pallete - not one at a time.) you also will pay extra for over size. The antenna installers I know have favorite packages or combo's based on past experience with a particular area/location/station(s)- this is way more valuable than the best guess someone on the internet from the other side of the country can give you. Finally - check to see if the local install firm(s) will install equipment you haven't bought from them - at least one installer in my area won't - based on previous bad experiences with consumers not having everything he needs to do the job ( hardware packs, brackets etc) and the customer's getting really PO'd when they get hit for a second min. service call charge.
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Can the signal be too strong! I have two channels that are coming in at about 88%, and one at 32% which I sometimes cut out. If I get the 4228, which is better gain than my current Terk 32, can the signal be too strong and cause problems?
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