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Old 07-02-2005, 09:40 PM   #1  
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Angry HDTV Receivers and Component Video Inputs

First, an apology if I'm posting to the wrong place - please tell me where to go if you know of a better place (:{).
I have an older HDTV capable of 480p, 720p, and 1080i - but only thru the component video inputs. There
s none of this new DVI-D or HDMI stuff on the back of the set. I've been living without any true HDTV sources other than progressive scan off DVDs for five years. I am currently a dish network subscriber but have been told by their tech department that the component video output of the Model 811 HDTV receiver and the 942 HDTV DVR only produces 480p from the component video outputs. I see from other threads that Digital Rights Management may have doomed my HDTV to never seeing a 1080i or 720P signal because there are no new products I am currently aware of that produce more than 480p on the component video outputs. Am I truly stuck forever at 480p or are there devices that will let me use my set at the higher resolutions?
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DirecTV and cable operators offer HDTV services with receivers that support HD via component. As for DVD players, those are limited to 480p via component.
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Old 07-03-2005, 01:06 AM   #3  
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Well I asked their tech support and they said that the resolutions of 720p and 1080i are only available on the DVI-D connector and not on the component video connectors. Now tech support sometimes gets it wrong - but I've officially been told that they don't support 720p and 1080i on the component video outputs. Can someone tell me who actually supplies their receivers so I can check with the manufacturer? I've checked the specs from the independent makers like Samsung and they confirm that 480p is all they support on component video - 1080i and 720p are only on the DVI-D and HDMI connectors.
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Old 07-03-2005, 06:10 AM   #4  
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The HD receiver will display up to 1080i....on component. Im not sure the tech has a clue what hes talking about. If you hook up the receiver to your component input, depending on your resolution you will be able to view..for example: 480P, 480I, 1080i..as my tv does. So will display 720p(?) as well. When its hooked up all your true HD channels, INHD, Discovery etc should display in 1080i 24/7
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The HD receiver will display up to 1080i....on component. Im not sure the tech has a clue what hes talking about. If you hook up the receiver to your component input, depending on your resolution you will be able to view..for example: 480P, 480I, 1080i..as my tv does. So will display 720p(?) as well. When its hooked up all your true HD channels, INHD, Discovery etc should display in 1080i 24/7
Most HDTVs accept both 720p and 1080i. They will only display one of them based on the screen's native resolution and up/down convert the other. The only reason why the HD receiver would not support HD over component is because Dish is providing a receiver that wasn't designed to support HD over component. As I've stated in my previous post, DirecTV and cable operators provide HD receivers that do support HD over component. The Dish rep is either clueless or correct, and if he is correct then Dish is making a dumb decision providing their HD customers with receivers that can't support HD over component.
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Old 07-03-2005, 10:48 PM   #6  
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Sooner or later, the copy restrictions will limit component to 480 lines... hadn't heard it was being done yet...
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:45 PM   #7  
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I have a friend who is a salesman for Best Buy (also not the most reliable source for dependable technical information!) that was trying to sell me a new DVD player that went to the trouble to take two different brand but brand new model DVD players that would upconvert to 720p that had both component video out and HDMI and hooked them up to one of his TV's that would give him a direct display of the resolution in effect - he tried to get them to play in 720p via component and they wouldn't do it - 480p is all we could get - but when connected to that same set via HDMI they played 720p with no problems. And he, too, thought the issue was being driven by DRM issues.
What a c_of_s that our lawmakers have fallen for the whiney hollywood d_heads that think a home viewer is going to rip them off when their real problem is the people using the same equipment they use to produce millions of hi-fi bootlegs.
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Old 07-08-2005, 05:17 PM   #8  
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I'm also in the EXACT situation as yourself--i.e. I have a 5 y/o Hitachi 53SDX89B rear projection with video, S-video and component (one set) inputs. It claims to be capable of 1080i display with the proper set-top box, however, I only briefly toyed with the idea of going the HDTV route several years ago and decided against it primarily due to the very limited programing available.
Now today, I cancelled my Dish Network subscription (5years of loyal patronage) as they pi--ed me off by charging me for a PPV feature that I'm positive no one in my household ordered. So, I now find myself in need of an alternate source of programing. I had been the cable route prior to my fling with Dish (before the Hitachi) and don't think I want to go that route again unless things have greatly improved.
I know that my local stations (about 20-30 miles away) are presently broadcasting HD OTA, and would like to try this avenue; however, I want to be certain that someone's HDTV tuner (with OTA capability) will give me 1080i via the Hitachi's component input.
Your experience with your salesman friend and the DVD players being unable to output 720p using display component inputs has me thinking the worst.

Can anyone say with certainty if ANY of the current crop of HD tuners/receivers (outside of Dish, Dir.TV, and cable) will give me what I want, or do I need to try and find an older discontinued model made about the same time as my Hitachi, OR, is the Hitachi dead in the water wrt HDTV capability? I can already hear my wife if I should have to tell her that we now need a newer set only 5 years after our super duper high definition big screen better-than-sex TV purchase.
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Most HDTVs accept both 720p and 1080i. They will only display one of them based on the screen's native resolution and up/down convert the other. The only reason why the HD receiver would not support HD over component is because Dish is providing a receiver that wasn't designed to support HD over component. As I've stated in my previous post, DirecTV and cable operators provide HD receivers that do support HD over component. The Dish rep is either clueless or correct, and if he is correct then Dish is making a dumb decision providing their HD customers with receivers that can't support HD over component.
Most of the CRT based HDTVs DO NOT display 720p inputs. The usual formats they display are 480i, 480p, and some 540p), 1080i. It is fairly rare that a CRT HDTV will display 720p. Not that doesn't mean it cannot accept a 720p signal, but it doesn't mean it will either. Damn, some 720p native resolution sets DO NOT even accept 720p input signals. Go figure.

Right now I am running HD signals through my component out of the Scientific Atlantic HD3250 cable box. Voom boxes allowed this too! I bet the tech at Dish was wrong. Call them again and ask someone else that answers the phone this time. Also ask if they allow "pass Through" with their receivers. If they do the signal will come in whatever resolution it is being sent (480i,480p,720p, 1080i).

It will eventually be the case that component will be limited to 480p when Hollywood can screw all the early adopters of HDTV when there was no DVI/HDMI.

There are upscaling DVD players that WILL upscale over component. I know the NeuNeo HVD2081 will upconvert all the way to 1080p (with a "p") over component. It will upconvert over HDMI only to 1080i.

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Old 07-09-2005, 04:40 PM   #10  
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Well my set definitely has the capability for the modes I mentioned. It's a Panasonic PT56KFXW95 and I have the service manual for it and have had to reconverge it a couple of times. And it definitely has built in test grids for 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
But as others in this thread are confirming, component video may be going the way of the dodo because the US Film companies have a rotten distribution model and are losing attendance - so with all their middlemen looking for a cut they've got to try to make it hard for the little guy who wants to buy their movies and watch them on a nice big set. But all of this nonsense about cabling interfaces and DRM is only going to create a market for non-Windows based PC systems with open software running movies off internet feeds and cutting all these Hollywood distribution leaches out of the pie. Since when did it become a presumption of guilt that any use I make of a movie has a high probability of being for criminal intent? How many people out there are actually making illegal copies? Frankly, I don't know anyone who actually does that. But with the best government money can buy, and now the best Supreme Court money can buy, this is what you get.
BTW - thanks for the tip on the upconverting DVD player - I'll start looking there. And I posted an e-mail to Dish tech support asking the same question again about their current crop of receivers - it's been three days and no reply - but I'll take that issue to the DishNetwork forum.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:12 AM   #11  
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Default Update - the official word from Dish Network

"Dear Mr. Ahlberg,

Thank you for your e-mail. I apologize that it took so long to respond.
We've received an unexpected amount of e-mails this month. We would normally
respond within 24-48 hours.

I do sincerely apologize about the misinformation that was given to you.
The component cables do support 480P, 720P, and 1080I. If you have any
other questions, please feel free to e-mail me directly.

Thanks,

Heather
Technical E-mail Support
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Well my set definitely has the capability for the modes I mentioned. It's a Panasonic PT56KFXW95 and I have the service manual for it and have had to reconverge it a couple of times. And it definitely has built in test grids for 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
But as others in this thread are confirming, component video may be going the way of the dodo because the US Film companies have a rotten distribution model and are losing attendance - so with all their middlemen looking for a cut they've got to try to make it hard for the little guy who wants to buy their movies and watch them on a nice big set. But all of this nonsense about cabling interfaces and DRM is only going to create a market for non-Windows based PC systems with open software running movies off internet feeds and cutting all these Hollywood distribution leaches out of the pie. Since when did it become a presumption of guilt that any use I make of a movie has a high probability of being for criminal intent? How many people out there are actually making illegal copies? Frankly, I don't know anyone who actually does that. But with the best government money can buy, and now the best Supreme Court money can buy, this is what you get.
BTW - thanks for the tip on the upconverting DVD player - I'll start looking there. And I posted an e-mail to Dish tech support asking the same question again about their current crop of receivers - it's been three days and no reply - but I'll take that issue to the DishNetwork forum.

Let us (me) know if you go with the NeuNeo HVD2081. I have been interested in possibly getting it sometime in the future.

I saw your update email from Dish. I figured the tech was wrong about their box not doing HD over component. Thanks for the update.
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Old 07-13-2005, 12:48 AM   #13  
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There are way too many HD ready TVs that donít have DVI/HDMI that will keep component around for quite some time. Even composite and S-video will be kept. Itís probably 99% certainty that a HD Ready TV without DVI, will only accept 480i, 480p and 540p/1080i. Since there is no way to record HD material via component, at this time, there should be no issue with HD component outputs.
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Old 07-30-2005, 06:29 PM   #14  
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I have a question about this Component cable.

I was told recently by a salesman that in order for us to see HD via component, we must use a different cable with 30 MHz for HDTV connection specification otherwise it will not work (or quality will be downgraded).

All the while I thought we can use the normal component cable. Could someone pls verify? Thanks
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I've never heard of a specific type of component cables to get the HD signal to your TV. Any component video cable should work as long as the source equipment and the display equipment support HD. If the cables the salesman was recommending is more expensive than others...that may be the real reason.
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