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Old 12-31-2009, 11:33 AM   #16  
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So I know this thread is a year old now, but I'm also working w/ the same equipment...Bose Lifestyle V30 and older "heavy" PS3.

Trying to get Dolby TrueHD out of my speakers and can't seem to make it happen.

Settings on PS3:
-Linear PCM output via HDMI
-All Linear PCM 5.1 codecs are checked off (no linear 7.1 or 2.0 codecs are checked off)
-On BluRay audio menu, Dolby TrueHD is selected

While watching movie, Bose system Displays:
- "Linear PCM 2.0"

Initially I thought it didn't matter what the display on the Bose V30 showed. As long as I have all the settings correct, I should be hearing TrueHD. Right? well...

I did a manual test where I listened very closely to the soundtrack coming from the left rear speaker in first scene of the Dark Knight movie. It was certainly 2 channel audio as I could hear spoken dialogue coming from the rear as if it were a center channel.

I then switched the PS3 Audio output setting back to Bitstream to let the Bose V30 do the decoding and listened again. Now the Bose is displaying "Dolby Digital 5.1". The resulting audio is Dolby Digital 5.1 sound. All spoken dialogue is coming from center channel as it should. Sound effects coming from rear (no dialogue). This is how i've had it set up for months, but not what I want.

My problem is I own a PS3/blueray player and a bose lifestyle system with hdmi inputs. I feel I should be getting TrueHD for the money I spent!

Unless I'm mistaken, the best I can get right now is Dolby Digital 5.1 even when selecting TrueHD on the DVD audio menu. Having tried both output methods on the PS3, I think i'm S outta luck on Dolby TrueHD with the current setup.

Haven't talked to Bose about it yet, but would like to hear their explanation.

One possible explanation: Once selecting TrueHD on the BluRay audio menu, the sound I'm hearing is actually Dolby TrueHD, not Dolby Digital 5.1. This is despite what the Bose Display says.
-I don't believe this is true, but if anyone has reason to believe this, please explain.

If anyone has a fix or sees a flaw in what I've done, please let me know!

Thanks
According to the guys over at AVS forum, the Bose Lifestyle V30 is NOT capable of accepting 7.1 surround LPCM via HDMI. (They removed the V30 from the 7.1 list back in June of 2008.) It will down mix to PCM 2.0 no matter what you do. Couple that with the fact that it is also not DTS MA or Dolby TrueHD compatible and you are out of luck. Your problem isn't the PS3, its the Bose. All you can do is set the PS3 to bitstream and get Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS Digital out of it. It is something that apparently Bose is well aware of and has no plan to change.

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Old 12-31-2009, 12:13 PM   #17  
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So I talked to Bose and they confirmed it...they told me unfortunately there's no way to get Dolby TrueHD on the Lifestyle V30 system. sux. Thanks for the info
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:15 PM   #18  
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Why would Bose support OPTIONAL codecs, as in NOT required of film studios to provide on BluRays, that encode audio in up to 14 channels IF you only have 5 speakers??????????????

It will downmix to 5 channel, and what then, is the benefit of that?

It's called a "Lifestyle" system for a reason. They realize that some people would rather not dominate their living rooms with audio equipment.

And I forgot if someone was bashing Bose in this thread, but they in fact, rock.

Would Porsche use Bose in a 911 if it didn't sound any good?
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Why would Bose support OPTIONAL codecs, as in NOT required of film studios to provide on BluRays, that encode audio in up to 14 channels IF you only have 5 speakers??????????????

It will downmix to 5 channel, and what then, is the benefit of that?

It's called a "Lifestyle" system for a reason. They realize that some people would rather not dominate their living rooms with audio equipment.

And I forgot if someone was bashing Bose in this thread, but they in fact, rock.

Would Porsche use Bose in a 911 if it didn't sound any good?
If you heard real speakers, that is any other speakers hooked up to a modest receiver you would hear just how wrong you are but hey, to each their own...
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I would pose one question to the OP.

Is your hearing good enough to discern a difference that the Bose system will provide vs. a new reciever?

I had an older 5.1 reciever which sounded good. I upgraded to an Onkyo reciever mainly for the HDMI but also felt it would be nice to have the new codecs. I honestly can't say I heard a difference. Perhaps its my hearing, perhaps the speakers, but in the end, I really couldn't tell if it sounded better. It sounded great before and it sounded great after.
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Would Porsche use Bose in a 911 if it didn't sound any good?
So that is what determines a good speaker?

Sounding good and beign a good value aren't the same.
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yes, i believe that Porsche's choice to utilize Bose audio for their cars serves as a testament to Bose's quality. Not sure how that choice has anything to do with marketing... but does have A LOT to do with design/efficiency/performance balance - as mentioned earlier is the reason the V30 is dubbed "Lifestyle".

I've had other stuff and while it is totally enjoyable for home theater use, it's also sounds loose and sloppy to me. I HATE having to see-saw the volume depending on the scene. For instance, having to raise the volume for dialogue and then reduce it when you get blasted with action scenes. Note the "late-night" and other goofy modes to artificially reproduce full, callibrated sound. Loose bass is also a pet peeve of mine, especially when it sounds like it's falling apart.

Overall, Bose is not on par with companies like Krell, or others that produce $20,000 per unit hand-made speakers. But it does bridge that gap between audiophile and Best Buy HTIB bullshit, all while satisfying lifestyle needs for those of us who can't afford a theater room. The AdaptIQ setup is really nice. Finally, sometimes people bash Bose because they really can't do a comparison with other gear in the same store - often the sales clerk at a general stereo store will attempt at no end to convince the customer that Bose sucks simply because that sales clerk is not authorized to sell Bose. Think about it...
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Uhh, if I owned a 911, I would NEVER use the radio. Bose or otherwise.

The engine note in true surround sound would be enough.
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so, this is a follow up to the original discussion...

i think this issue should be punted back on the source, and not the V30 media console for the following reason:

The specs for TrueHD and DTSMA report that 5.1 is supported. Hmmmmm... so shouldn't the user be able to configure which source is passed to the console as PCM output?? Such as DTSMA decoded to PCM 5.1?

Of course the console will drop 7.1, because it knows it doesn't have 8 channels. But if the user could select DTSMA 5.1 for output from the disc, and the PS3 supported that, it theoretically could be amplified out the V30.

This sounds to me like an issue with the disc encoding - if the studio only selects a typical mix of DTS for 5.1 and DTSMA for 7.1 - then all 5.1 users are kinda screwed out of lossless encoding.

Any thoughts?

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so, this is a follow up to the original discussion...

i think this issue should be punted back on the source, and not the V30 media console for the following reason:

The specs for TrueHD and DTSMA report that 5.1 is supported. Hmmmmm... so shouldn't the user be able to configure which source is passed to the console as PCM output?? Such as DTSMA decoded to PCM 5.1?

Of course the console will drop 7.1, because it knows it doesn't have 8 channels. But if the user could select DTSMA 5.1 for output from the disc, and the PS3 supported that, it theoretically could be amplified out the V30.

This sounds to me like an issue with the disc encoding - if the studio only selects a typical mix of DTS for 5.1 and DTSMA for 7.1 - then all 5.1 users are kinda screwed out of lossless encoding.

Any thoughts?

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Most any regular receiver will do that but not the sub standard Bose.
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Egad,,,even Porsche fell for Bose marketing hype. good way to taint a porsche.
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most any receiver will do what? fallback to 2.0 if 8 channels aren't present? show me a disc that has dtsma 5.1 encoding. i'll test it.

there's no way i'd ever want to mount 7 speakers in my living room. 5 is really pushing it as is. and if i need more, than i buy a ticket to the movie theater....
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Egad,,,even Porsche fell for Bose marketing hype. good way to taint a porsche.
When I was up in that tourist trap they call Tennessee, I went into the Bose store to waste some time. I asked the old boy where the Blu-ray systems were. He told me I could hook up a BD player to the Bose system. I had to ask him: doesn't that defeat the whole propose of having an all in one system? He didn't have much else to say but I was waiting on some anti BD spin.
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When I was up in that tourist trap they call Tennessee, I went into the Bose store to waste some time. I asked the old boy where the Blu-ray systems were. He told me I could hook up a BD player to the Bose system. I had to ask him: doesn't that defeat the whole propose of having an all in one system? He didn't have much else to say but I was waiting on some anti BD spin.
Tis a shame ya had to waste time in that useless outlet. To bad they don't have a decent stereo/speaker shop in that tourist nightmare.
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and dude, i've seen some of your other posts. you clearly have a bug up your ass about bose. why not share the horror story, c'mon get it off your chest.

so if you have built yourself a theater, it's off topic to comment on people's living room rigs. the word "home" is half of home theater. bose does a great job bringing theater-like sound to the living room while maintaining a small, attractive footprint. not sure if that can be argued...

yes i have a porsche with the bose surround in it and no i don't think the 1800 i paid for the v30 is expensive. so what would be my beef? that i live in a city and can't build a darkroom? maybe, but that doesn't make me wanna bash your cheap projector...
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