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Old 12-23-2008, 09:26 AM   #46  
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Gosmosis, I do not know what model Onkyo you purchased, but if you only intend to use it in video applications, you may find it perfectly satisfactory. However, if you are an audio enthusiast as well, you will find it wanting when compared to Denon, Yamaha and Marantz. Guaranteed.
Since a professional audio and video magazine rated the Onkyo SR606 the best receiver under $1000 I guess they are wrong as well...
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Gosmosis, I do not know what model Onkyo you purchased, but if you only intend to use it in video applications, you may find it perfectly satisfactory. However, if you are an audio enthusiast as well, you will find it wanting when compared to Denon, Yamaha and Marantz. Guaranteed.
I am an audio enthusiast. Or at least I used to be. DVD-A and SACD spoiled me and so 2 channel music doesn't do it for me anymore. I love surround sound and love a nicely mixed 5.1 musical experience. This is what I care about the most now. I'm also a hi-fi enthusiast who would prefer to get the best I can. But - reality has hit home to my wallet due to kids, college, economy, etc.

Again - my old Denon had an awesome sound. (2 channel also). It was outdated, no HDMI, no new codec, etc. My hope is that my new Onkyo will have at lest similar surround performance. If it doesn't, I will send it back, I suspect. So far, from what I can tell, it has awesome surround potential. Need to tweek it some more. I have yet to even listen to any 2 channel material. I will when I get my sub situated correctly.

I will certainly keep you all posted as I have no favorite brand at this point. I am very, very particular in audio performance - so it's gonna have to pull it's weight or it's outta here.
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I am waiting for him to say I am racist because I happen to like Denon, Yamaha and Onkyo but not Marantz.

He resorts to name calling in order to try to impress.. someone but I wonder who that is?
Racist no. Stupid yes.
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Racist no. Stupid yes.
So, now you are calling me stupid. Your glass house is crumbling, keep throwing them stones.
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So, now you are calling me stupid. Your glass house is crumbling, keep throwing them stones.
JBJ is a real AZHOL (Acronym>> A Zealous Harbor Of Lunacy)
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+1000 for a perfect discritpion!

I guess I am his flavor of the week.

Anyone that disagrees with him is obviously an idot/stupid. Pretty funny, actually.
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+1000 for a perfect discritpion!

I guess I am his flavor of the week.

Anyone that disagrees with him is obviously an idot/stupid. Pretty funny, actually.
I guess that puts me at the bottom of the evolution chain, huh?
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Nope. You were there long before this forum got up and running: translation since birth.
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I would actually like to hear his opinions why it may be better to get the Denon that I listed for 299 that does not decode the latest codecs (Not even sure i'm using the right lingo here...) over the Onkyo SR606 that does. Why will it sound better?
I am a fan of Onkyo for decent stereo receivers, but my best friend has owned two Onkyo AV receivers and I own a Onkyo stereo receiver hooked to my B&W speakers in the game room. Here is what I found.

My friend's first (circa 2003) Onkyo AV receiver sucked, and was underpowered and didn't have the best features and would not allow the B speaker channels (for presense sound) AND the surround speakers to work at the same time. This told me it didn't have sufficient power for the rating.

He bought a Onkyo 604 (the model year right before they offered HD audio decoding in the next model year 605) and went out and bought B&W speakers all around because they sound so good mated to my Onkyo stereo receiver. He thought it sounded pretty good but I could not get it to sound right. I tried calibrating it and no matter what I did, the dialog/voices didn't sound right and it didn't sound as good as my Denon AVR-887 receiver that has comparable features to this Onkyo. I tried everything including resetting the Onkyo receiver but I could not remove the reverb I heard in the dialog.

He has just recently bought a Denon AVR-988 receiver for $540.00 that does do the HD audio decoding and the sound difference is amazing. Dialog sounds proper, and overall the sound is much better with much tighter bass through the midrange & sub output.

No question the Onkyo receivers are the bang for the buck king, but all my experience when I compare Onkyo with the Denon shows the Denon blows the Onkyo away in sound quality. Isn't sound quality the most important thing when compared to anything else within a price range?

Yes Denon cost more to get the same features offered with Onkyo, but I was VERY displeased with how dialog sounded with my friend's Onkyo 604, and the Denon AVR 988 was clearly worth the price increase over the Onkyo in the sound quality category IMO.

Listening to both with the exact same speakers in the exact same location in the room the Denon was CLEARLY (to everyone that listened to both) much better in producing the proper sound quality I also have heard with my Yamaha & Denon receivers. Maybe the Onkyo is doing some additional sound processing that cannot be overridden that caused the issues I had with the sound/dialog, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the Onkyo 604 to sound correct.

I guess if you never do a direct comparison the Onkyo will sound great to many people, but when compared head to head, the Onkyo didn't cut it for me or my friend. Everyone hears differently, but the difference with dialog was too much to be passed off as just hearing things differently IMO. It could be he had a defective receiver also, but I doubt that is the issue either.

If the budget does not allow for buying a Denon with the features you want, then the Onkyo would have to be the purchase made then, but both should be listened to to hear the difference with the same material with the same speakers, with a familiar movie so you can make the decision with your own ears.

I know the Onkyo has more HDMI inputs for the money, but HDMI switchers are pretty darn cheap if you need more than 2 devices requiring HDMI inputs for the sound. I doubt you will need HDMI sound for more than 2 devices to get the HD audio, since only a BD player will give you that HD audio for the foreseeable future. For most other devices, you just need optical/digital coax for the sound input so this issue is not as great as it might seem. Sure it would be great to have all HDMI inputs, but all devices do not "need" an HDMI input and the switcher is a workaround regardless.

Hope this helps!
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What would be a comporable Denon receiver that has all the same features, audio updates, etc. (Regardless of price). I may be going in a day or so to listen to some and want to make sure I'm listening to the right things. If you could include links, that would be great. Would a comporable receiver to the Onkyo 606 be around 450 dollars? 600 dollars? Thanks.

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I am a fan of Onkyo for decent stereo receivers, but my best friend has owned two Onkyo AV receivers and I own a Onkyo stereo receiver hooked to my B&W speakers in the game room. Here is what I found.

My friend's first (circa 2003) Onkyo AV receiver sucked, and was underpowered and didn't have the best features and would not allow the B speaker channels (for presense sound) AND the surround speakers to work at the same time. This told me it didn't have sufficient power for the rating.

He bought a Onkyo 604 (the model year right before they offered HD audio decoding in the next model year 605) and went out and bought B&W speakers all around because they sound so good mated to my Onkyo stereo receiver. He thought it sounded pretty good but I could not get it to sound right. I tried calibrating it and no matter what I did, the dialog/voices didn't sound right and it didn't sound as good as my Denon AVR-887 receiver that has comparable features to this Onkyo. I tried everything including resetting the Onkyo receiver but I could not remove the reverb I heard in the dialog.

He has just recently bought a Denon AVR-988 receiver for $540.00 that does do the HD audio decoding and the sound difference is amazing. Dialog sounds proper, and overall the sound is much better with much tighter bass through the midrange & sub output.

No question the Onkyo receivers are the bang for the buck king, but all my experience when I compare Onkyo with the Denon shows the Denon blows the Onkyo away in sound quality. Isn't sound quality the most important thing when compared to anything else within a price range?

Yes Denon cost more to get the same features offered with Onkyo, but I was VERY displeased with how dialog sounded with my friend's Onkyo 604, and the Denon AVR 988 was clearly worth the price increase over the Onkyo in the sound quality category IMO.

Listening to both with the exact same speakers in the exact same location in the room the Denon was CLEARLY (to everyone that listened to both) much better in producing the proper sound quality I also have heard with my Yamaha & Denon receivers. Maybe the Onkyo is doing some additional sound processing that cannot be overridden that caused the issues I had with the sound/dialog, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the Onkyo 604 to sound correct.

I guess if you never do a direct comparison the Onkyo will sound great to many people, but when compared head to head, the Onkyo didn't cut it for me or my friend. Everyone hears differently, but the difference with dialog was too much to be passed off as just hearing things differently IMO. It could be he had a defective receiver also, but I doubt that is the issue either.

If the budget does not allow for buying a Denon with the features you want, then the Onkyo would have to be the purchase made then, but both should be listened to to hear the difference with the same material with the same speakers, with a familiar movie so you can make the decision with your own ears.

I know the Onkyo has more HDMI inputs for the money, but HDMI switchers are pretty darn cheap if you need more than 2 devices requiring HDMI inputs for the sound. I doubt you will need HDMI sound for more than 2 devices to get the HD audio, since only a BD player will give you that HD audio for the foreseeable future. For most other devices, you just need optical/digital coax for the sound input so this issue is not as great as it might seem. Sure it would be great to have all HDMI inputs, but all devices do not "need" an HDMI input and the switcher is a workaround regardless.

Hope this helps!
Not only does it help, but it is the truth. I only regret that only the two of us seem to know it. I guess the art of serious listening is a dying art.
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Alright Loves2watch (but has trouble listening), I am dying to hear your riposte to PFC5. Don't think the opinion of one magazine is going to cut it. Do you?
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I am a fan of Onkyo for decent stereo receivers, but my best friend has owned two Onkyo AV receivers and I own a Onkyo stereo receiver hooked to my B&W speakers in the game room. Here is what I found.

My friend's first (circa 2003) Onkyo AV receiver sucked, and was underpowered and didn't have the best features and would not allow the B speaker channels (for presense sound) AND the surround speakers to work at the same time. This told me it didn't have sufficient power for the rating.

He bought a Onkyo 604 (the model year right before they offered HD audio decoding in the next model year 605) and went out and bought B&W speakers all around because they sound so good mated to my Onkyo stereo receiver. He thought it sounded pretty good but I could not get it to sound right. I tried calibrating it and no matter what I did, the dialog/voices didn't sound right and it didn't sound as good as my Denon AVR-887 receiver that has comparable features to this Onkyo. I tried everything including resetting the Onkyo receiver but I could not remove the reverb I heard in the dialog.

He has just recently bought a Denon AVR-988 receiver for $540.00 that does do the HD audio decoding and the sound difference is amazing. Dialog sounds proper, and overall the sound is much better with much tighter bass through the midrange & sub output.

No question the Onkyo receivers are the bang for the buck king, but all my experience when I compare Onkyo with the Denon shows the Denon blows the Onkyo away in sound quality. Isn't sound quality the most important thing when compared to anything else within a price range?

Yes Denon cost more to get the same features offered with Onkyo, but I was VERY displeased with how dialog sounded with my friend's Onkyo 604, and the Denon AVR 988 was clearly worth the price increase over the Onkyo in the sound quality category IMO.

Listening to both with the exact same speakers in the exact same location in the room the Denon was CLEARLY (to everyone that listened to both) much better in producing the proper sound quality I also have heard with my Yamaha & Denon receivers. Maybe the Onkyo is doing some additional sound processing that cannot be overridden that caused the issues I had with the sound/dialog, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the Onkyo 604 to sound correct.

I guess if you never do a direct comparison the Onkyo will sound great to many people, but when compared head to head, the Onkyo didn't cut it for me or my friend. Everyone hears differently, but the difference with dialog was too much to be passed off as just hearing things differently IMO. It could be he had a defective receiver also, but I doubt that is the issue either.

If the budget does not allow for buying a Denon with the features you want, then the Onkyo would have to be the purchase made then, but both should be listened to to hear the difference with the same material with the same speakers, with a familiar movie so you can make the decision with your own ears.

I know the Onkyo has more HDMI inputs for the money, but HDMI switchers are pretty darn cheap if you need more than 2 devices requiring HDMI inputs for the sound. I doubt you will need HDMI sound for more than 2 devices to get the HD audio, since only a BD player will give you that HD audio for the foreseeable future. For most other devices, you just need optical/digital coax for the sound input so this issue is not as great as it might seem. Sure it would be great to have all HDMI inputs, but all devices do not "need" an HDMI input and the switcher is a workaround regardless.

Hope this helps!
I must admit that the 600 series of receivers is at the bottom of the Onkyo line for multichannel receivers that have features usually reserved for more expensive receivers like decoding all of the new HD audio codecs, Audssey room/speaker equalization/adjustment and the such. So they may not have the massive power that a comparatively priced Denon, Yamaha, Harman Kardon or Pioneer may have but the other brands do not offer the same features at that price point. For an entry level receiver with all of the features offered it certainly satisfies most home users (non audiophiles) and in the case of HTiB units the 6100/7100 is a much better offering then most other manufacturers provide.

If you want to compare more powerful, audiophile grade receivers then you must compare apples to apples and move up in the Onkyo models to do a fair comparison. When you get into the 800 and 900 series of receivers and with all other things being equal, they can stand head to head with the other comparable brands.

If you choose to compare top end models look at the Integra line of receivers like the DTR8.8 which compares favorably with any other receiver out there save the esoteric brands, including the flagship models from Denon and Yamaha.

There is nothing wrong with any of the major brands of receivers on the market, save Sony and their flaky performance/problems, and for entry level the Onkyo brand offers much for few dollars.

Comparing a $1500 receiver to a $300 receiver just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Since I do not personally own a 600 series I cannot do a comparative review and since nothing else in that price range offers the amount features, I recommend it as for most users it is a great unit.

In this day of dwindling economies and consumers being frugal, spending more to get less isn't an option for most.

P.S. I haven't had any dialog problems with any of my Onkyo or Integra units nor any of my other receivers for that matter.

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The content of your response was expected. Compare apples to apples, people don't have money to spend, etc., etc. The issue is sound quality here. Yamaha makes at least one receiver under $400 (V663, if memory serves) and it will sonically knock the socks of your vaunted 606. And while it can not match the sheer power of the 706, it is it's sonic superior as well. All I asked was a fair appraisal. It seems PFC5 is one of the few who can answer that call. Unfortunate, because those you intend to influence will buy Onkyo without even auditioning better equipment. That sir, is a disservice to the public. I call them as they are.
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Addendum. I am sure you must be joking when you suggest the flagship models of Onkyo will rank with the flagship models of Denon and Yamaha (and presumably Marantz). At that level, the sonic superiority of the latter is even more pronounced. I know because I have listened. Suggest you do likewise before attempting to convince people to spend a small fortune on Onkyo. And this (and the other posts) is from someone who likes and owns Onkyo from Integra on down to entry level despite what some of your uninitiated acolytes may think. For me, it's all about the sound. Anything else is merely icing on the cake.
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