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Old 01-23-2008, 05:09 PM   #16  
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My experience is simple. I have auditioned every Sony AV model over the last 3 years. Not once have I come away with the opinion that they outperform or even match comparable equipment from Denon, Onkyo or Marantz. The lower echelon receivers from those latter companies will run circles around mid-line Sony models. But I am a critical listener with a music background. This is not to suggest that many purchasers will not be perfectly happy with their Sonys. However, there can be major differences between receivers, whether you choose to believe it or not.
I have always like the Yamaha receivers and I have an 890 that is still going strong since '96ish. However it appears they have lowered their standards somewhat. How would you compare lets say the Yamaha1800 to the Onkyo 805?
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:36 PM   #17  
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The Onkyo 805 is by far a better receiver.
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:15 AM   #18  
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Yamaha makes decent equipment from a sonic perspective-a hell of a lot better than most of the Sony stuff mentioned in this thread. Reliability is generally excellent. With a few exceptions, Yamaha receivers tend to the warm side which some listeners prefer. The on screen menus can be a bit tedious to navigate. But overall, good stuff. However, the Onkyo represents much better value as between the models you list.
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The Onkyo 805 is by far a better receiver.
Than the Yamaha 1800? Not many people would agree with you.
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FMW, you make an excellent point. That's why I said the Onkyo represents a better value. One would probably pay anywhere from $200-400 more for the Yamaha. For that you do get those Burr-Browns and they tend to be top notch. Be a tough choice. I'd have to do some serious listening.
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You can measure value as price against features or against performance. I have a tendency to measure it against performance. From my experience, the Yamahas perform better than the Onkyos. This is personal experience, by the way, not just a repetition of what someone else said on the internet. Industry people who have a lot of credibility with me tell me the Yamaha processors are as good as anything on the market.

To say that an Onkyo is "far better" than a Yamaha model that is higher up in the product line and more expensive sounds like fanboyism rather than any kind of objective truth.

Perhaps the Onkyo is just as good. I doubt it but I wouldn't have posted an argument against it. To say that it has more features for the same or less money is probably the truth. Read my first two sentences above. To say "far better" without any qualification is not credulous and deserves an argument against it.
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FMW, you make an excellent point. That's why I said the Onkyo represents a better value. One would probably pay anywhere from $200-400 more for the Yamaha. For that you do get those Burr-Browns and they tend to be top notch. Be a tough choice. I'd have to do some serious listening.
Understand that I haven't ever owned a Sony receiver. I have a tendency to think that their ES line probably as good as anything against which it competes price-wise. I don't know that but I still cling to the belief that the manufacturers know what their products are worth and that you get common value for your money. I would assume that Sony sells more units than the other brands mentioned combined so you will hear more complaints about them just because of the numbers involved. I certainly wouldn't avoid buying one because of what I read on the internet.

I've never owned a Yamaha receiver either. But I have tested the 1800 and I'm familiar with it. I've also talked about it with industry people who know a lot about it that I can trust. It is respected by those people.

I have owned an Onkyo receiver that was a model under the one in question and it was unsatisfactory. That is a universe of one unit and, hence, isn't meaningful but it helps cause me to scratch my head when someone says an Onkyo is "far" better than a more expensive Yamaha since I've tested the more expensive Yamaha.
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Well Loves2watch is a bit fanatical on certain things. But in general, his advice is spot on. I just happen to believe that he overstated the case for the 805 when compared to the 1800. But we are talking about a $400 price differential. As I indicated, Yamaha makes good stuff.
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What I meant was far better than Sony and most if not all others within it's price range. If you want to compare the Yamaha 1800 then compare it with the Onkyo 875 again, the Onkyo will come out the winner. Note that I am not saying anything bad about Yamaha receivers because I do think they are very good but in the price range the new Onkyo lineup just can't be beat. Sony's on the other hand just can't hold a candle to Onkyo, Yamaha, HK, Denon and Marantz. Their forte is on the video side.
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Agreed. 875 v. 1800. Great battle there. I think if I used the receiver mostly for music, I would choose the Yamaha. If I used it 50/50 or mostly for video, I would go with the Onkyo.
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Agreed. 875 v. 1800. Great battle there. I think if I used the receiver mostly for music, I would choose the Yamaha. If I used it 50/50 or mostly for video, I would go with the Onkyo.
I think that really depends on all of the other equipment used, especailly the speakers. My 875 is one of the most musical receivers I have heard, bar none. But again speakers do make the difference. You should hear what it does with my Martin Logans and/or Paradigms.
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My 875 is one of the most musical receivers I have heard, bar none. But again speakers do make the difference.
Actually it depends entirely on the speakers. Receiver amplifiers all sound the same under most circumstances.
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Actually it depends entirely on the speakers. Receiver amplifiers all sound the same under most circumstances.
What magazine do you read?
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What magazine do you read?
National Geographic is my favorite.
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Actually it depends entirely on the speakers. Receiver amplifiers all sound the same under most circumstances.
That is untrue as each different amplifier/receiver has it's own distinct/unique properties. Just read some professional reviews and you will see.
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