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Old 12-23-2007, 02:29 AM   #31  
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I have been using a Super VHS vcr in highest-speed mode. The picture quality is not HD, but still very very good.

My Digital VHS vcr also produces very high-quality images (similar to a dvd capture of live television).

I have an ATSC-to-NTSC converter tied to both VCRs via the S-cable.
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I have no way to record the new MPEG-4 HD channels to D-VHS and have no way to decode MPEG-4 if I can figure out how to record it to D-VHS.
From what I've read, recording MPEG-4 is as easy as dumping the signal to the VCR (via the firewire), and then playing it back through the receiver or tv, which will automagically decode the MPEG-4 data.

Is that how it works?
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Old 12-23-2007, 05:05 AM   #32  
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I have been using a Super VHS vcr in highest-speed mode. The picture quality is not HD, but still very very good.

My Digital VHS vcr also produces very high-quality images (similar to a dvd capture of live television).

I have an ATSC-to-NTSC converter tied to both VCRs via the S-cable.

From what I've read, recording MPEG-4 is as easy as dumping the signal to the VCR (via the firewire), and then playing it back through the receiver or tv, which will automagically decode the MPEG-4 data.

Is that how it works?
Show me even one TV with firewire that has an MPEG-4 decoder or show me even one decoder with firewire input that can decode MPEG-4 or show me even one D-VHS VCR with an MPEG-4 decoder and then show me one source that can output MPEG-4 over firewire and I will try to get my hands on a combination to check it out. All ATSC signals are MPEG-2 so far to the best of my knowledge and all D-VHS VCR's that decode only include an MPEG-2 decoder and all firewire sources that work with a D-VHS VCR that I am aware of only output MPEG-2. If any part of my understanding is incorrect, I have not seen the proof nor have I seen anybody respond with the requests I just made of you.

To save you any wasted time, like the time I asked you to find the Hi-8 or 8MM tape that wasn't metal particle or evaporated metal you said existed, I would suggest you don't even bother at this point, I don't think any MPEG-4 to D-VHS solution exists other than through a PC and conversion to MPEG-2. I am sure not ever going to mess with that.

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Old 12-25-2007, 03:53 AM   #33  
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Show me even one TV with firewire that has an MPEG-4 decoder or show me even one decoder with firewire input that can decode MPEG-4 ...
I don't know; I haven't looked.

Presumably the satellite dish has an MPEG-4 decoder inside of it (else it would be able to receive the MPEG-4 signals). Does that have a Firewire input?

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I do think it was really, really stupid for the Movie/Television industry to mandate that JVC use Firewire for its D-VHS standard..... and then that same industry failed to develop more than a few devices with Firewire inputs! What's the point of saying, "We will use Firewire as our standard interface," if they are not going to bother building Firewire-capable devices? Stupid.

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Why do other recording devices like DVRs or Bluray-Recordables use to capture HD video from satellites or digital cable? Are they using Firewire?
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Old 12-27-2007, 09:31 AM   #34  
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Do you (or anybody else) have an answer to this question?
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I don't know; I haven't looked. Presumably the satellite dish has an MPEG-4 decoder inside of it (else it would [not] be able to receive the MPEG-4 signals). Does that have a Firewire input to send MPEG4 data to/from the VCR?

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Why do other recording devices like DVRs or Bluray-Recordables use to capture HD video from satellites or digital cable? Are they using Firewire?
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:09 PM   #35  
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I'm looking for an answer to this too. I'd like to stay with OTA for now too. Whenever I have access to cable, I spend more time channel surfing then watching a show.

I assume the new non-HD VCRs with digital tuners will record the digital channels, and convert them to SD for recording and playback on standard VCR tape. Is that how it works? Less then ideal, but still a way to timeshift an occasional program.
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OK, I am soooo confused. I am with the original poster. I use an on the roof antenna---do not want cable or satelite. I watch TV in the Livingroom while recording multiple programs on VCR's on the TV's in the bedroom and kitchen. I accumulate around 70 tapes containing 5 or 6 hours of programming each, then I watch them "as needed" during the rerun season or whenever I want to watch a show I like when there is nothing else on. Now what am I going to do? I really don't care if the programming I tape is in HD or not---the picture quality I have now is fine with me.
If I buy the JVC VCR with the digital [ATSC] tuner mentioned previously, can I continue to tape programs as I do now, along with a converter box on the TV? I need to record multiple channels at certain times. [ 8:00=Ch3, 9:00=CH27, 10:00=CH 5, etc. ]
I and a friend of mine are in the same predicament here, please help!
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:57 PM   #37  
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So why not get something like the Philips DVDR3455/37? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=4922159

OTA reception, 160 GB HD; record to HD or to disc, etc, etc, for $300.

Now, it appears that the tuner is NTSC . . . OK, spend another $40 for a ATSC to analog converter and you're good to go.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:41 PM   #38  
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How about this tuner?

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-1_1-9840910-67.html
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Old 06-04-2008, 08:50 PM   #39  
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I have never heard of it but it is another HD DVR with ATSC tuner for recording OTA to a hard drive. Assuming it works as advertised, it should be fine. Echostar has a lot of experience with HD DVR's for Dish Network so this DVR could be really good.

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OK---I had pretty much decided to go with the Echostar TR 40 Converter Box. Everything I read said it had a VCR Event Timer.
Now I just came upon an article rating the "Dish DTVPAL", which is supposedly the new version/name of the Echostar TR 40. Here is the part of the review that has me totally confused:
"The DTVPal can also work in conjunction with a TV or DVD recorder that has TV Guide On Screen, or Guide Plus (also known as Gemstar). The instructions are in the manual, but basically you need to connect a G-Link cable from your TV Guide On Screen-capable device, set up the IR blaster in front of the DTV Pal, and set the DTVPal to TV Guide On Screen mode. We didn't have any TV Guide On Screen-capable devices on hand to test this, but it's a nice extra for those who use the service."
Does this mean this "new" version on the Echostar TR 40 will not work with a regualar, old VCR?
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As always----your replys are appreciated.
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Needed 5 posts so I was allowed to post a URL address.

Here is a link to the review I quoted from earlier.

http://reviews.cnet.com/tv-hdtv-tune...-32886696.html


What also sucks? The remote cannot control the volume or turn the set On/Off.
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OK---I had pretty much decided to go with the Echostar TR 40 Converter Box. Everything I read said it had a VCR Event Timer.
Now I just came upon an article rating the "Dish DTVPAL", which is supposedly the new version/name of the Echostar TR 40. Here is the part of the review that has me totally confused:
"The DTVPal can also work in conjunction with a TV or DVD recorder that has TV Guide On Screen, or Guide Plus (also known as Gemstar). The instructions are in the manual, but basically you need to connect a G-Link cable from your TV Guide On Screen-capable device, set up the IR blaster in front of the DTV Pal, and set the DTVPal to TV Guide On Screen mode. We didn't have any TV Guide On Screen-capable devices on hand to test this, but it's a nice extra for those who use the service."
Does this mean this "new" version on the Echostar TR 40 will not work with a regualar, old VCR?
I read nothing that made me believe this device won't work with a regular old VCR. I couldn't determine whether or not it will control a VCR, turn on, start recording, stop recording and turn off, but certainly a VCR could be programmed to record from this although I don't know if your VCR or any VCR for that matter will control the DTVPAL. When I used a VCR and separate satellite receiver, the VCR I used could turn the satellite receiver on, change the channel and record the program and the reverse also worked, the receiver could control a VCR and start and stop recording. Not all combinations of VCR and satellite receiver worked.

Are you sure you want to mess with a regular VCR and a digital ATSC tuner? A DVR, digital video recorder with internal hard drive and ATSC tuner built in is the way to go. If you are sure you want to mess with an analog VCR in the digital age, somebody, myself if nobody else already knows can figure out whether or not this ATSC tuner will do what you want with your VCR. If you are sure you want that, what VCR are you using and what source have you been recording previously?

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