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Old 12-11-2007, 02:39 PM   #1  
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Default Onkyo 605 problems + HD-A2

I set up my 605 yesterday, but when I play a movie (action scenes from Transformers and Batman Begins) through my HD-A2 it still like everything is running through the front 3 speakers. I re-did the Audyssey and my subwoofer was at -10db I re-ran the process 3 more times, lowering the volume each time. My final results are:

SP Level: Left 0db, Center 0db, Right +2db, Surr. R +3db, Surr. L -3db, Subwoofer -2db

Distance: Front 9ft, Center 8ft, Surr Right 6ft, Surr Left 2ft, Subwoofer 12ft

SP Config: Subwoofer Yes, Front "Full Band", Center "Full Band", Surround 100 Hz, Surr back NONE, Surr back ch ---

The surround sound is now better, but I would still like it to be slightly louder. The sub never comes on. I still get nothing from the subwoofer. I even played the beginning of LOTR in DTS. The scene after Sauron is destoryed. There is a great part where the shockwave knocks everyone over. Sub didn't even kick on.

Also, I set my A2's SPDIF to "bitstream" and the Digital Out to Auto. On the Onkyo, HDMI Audio out is set to "Off"


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I'd hate to have to return it to Amazon.
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Your subwoofer is a powered sub, right?
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Your subwoofer is a powered sub, right?
I guess so, It has it's own power button. It also has two knobs "high cut" and "volume".
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Is it plugged into the wall for power? If not, then I believe it is considered a passive sub and will not work with the Onkyo.
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Is it plugged into the wall for power? If not, then I believe it is considered a passive sub and will not work with the Onkyo.
sry, yes, it has it's own plug for power. When I run the Audyssey setup (the mic that comes with the 605) it recognizes the subwoofer fine and sends test signals through it.
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Ah.. ok. But still no sound from it? What does the reciever display?
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Ah.. ok. But still no sound from it? What does the reciever display?
When I was watching BB and Transformers (HDDVD) it was displaying "bitstream PCM" as it should since the A2 decodes the DD+/TrueHD. When watching LOTR, it was displaying DTS.
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I'm not sure why you wouldn't be getting sound from the sub. It seems like it should be working. Hopefully someone else will have some suggestions. Short of that, you might want to try calling onkyo - I have no idea how their support is though.
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I set up my 605 yesterday, but when I play a movie (action scenes from Transformers and Batman Begins) through my HD-A2 it still like everything is running through the front 3 speakers. I re-did the Audyssey and my subwoofer was at -10db I re-ran the process 3 more times, lowering the volume each time. My final results are:

SP Level: Left 0db, Center 0db, Right +2db, Surr. R +3db, Surr. L -3db, Subwoofer -2db

Distance: Front 9ft, Center 8ft, Surr Right 6ft, Surr Left 2ft, Subwoofer 12ft

SP Config: Subwoofer Yes, Front "Full Band", Center "Full Band", Surround 100 Hz, Surr back NONE, Surr back ch ---

The surround sound is now better, but I would still like it to be slightly louder. The sub never comes on. I still get nothing from the subwoofer. I even played the beginning of LOTR in DTS. The scene after Sauron is destoryed. There is a great part where the shockwave knocks everyone over. Sub didn't even kick on.

Also, I set my A2's SPDIF to "bitstream" and the Digital Out to Auto. On the Onkyo, HDMI Audio out is set to "Off"


Any thoughts?

I'd hate to have to return it to Amazon.
Why is HDMI Audio set to "Off"? Are you not going through an HDMI cable? If it's sending a signal to the sub that you can hear during setup, then everything is hooked up properly. You must have something set wrong somewhere in the (quite extensive) setup menu.

Also, I have the A2 (and a TX-604). I have SPDIF set to "PCM". Is it supposed to be set to bitstream to get TrueHD sound from the A2? Sorry to have partially hijacked your thread, but maybe we'll draw some more fish this way

One other thing. You have your front speakers set to Full Band, which I assume is the same as "Large Speakers". Set it to Small, and lower the crossover to 60Hz. You currently have it at 100.
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:26 PM   #10  
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Why is HDMI Audio set to "Off"? Are you not going through an HDMI cable?
HDMI is set to "Off" because of a 605 setup post from AVS that has also been posted on threads in here the quote "Always set HDMI Audio Out =Off unless you want to use your television's speakers." I have an HDMI cable going from the A2 to the 605 and then from the 605 to the TV.

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If it's sending a signal to the sub that you can hear during setup, then everything is hooked up properly. You must have something set wrong somewhere in the (quite extensive) setup menu.
That's why I can't figure it out.

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Also, I have the A2 (and a TX-604). I have SPDIF set to "PCM". Is it supposed to be set to bitstream to get TrueHD sound from the A2?
I read somewhere that the A2 should be set to bitstream for SPDIF, however, I have tried both PCM and Bitstream and neither has worked. I have also set the digital audio out on the A2 to PCM with no luck.

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Sorry to have partially hijacked your thread, but maybe we'll draw some more fish this way
No problem, this info might help someone else too.

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One other thing. You have your front speakers set to Full Band, which I assume is the same as "Large Speakers". Set it to Small, and lower the crossover to 60Hz. You currently have it at 100.
I assume that's what Full Band is too. The auto "Audyssey" process set it to 100Hz, so I will try to find where I can manually change it and report back (I know how to connect the speakers and components, but it gets very fuzzy for me when it comes to tweaking. All I know is from what's been posted before
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I used Audyssey too, but then I did some further tweaking myself. Even though I have the Klipsch Reference Series 5.1 setup that can more than handle the bass, I've always read that I should set my L/R speakers, as well as the rest, to Small, and to use a cutoff of 60Hz.

Oh, and just out of curiosity, have you tried manually turning on the Sub instead of waiting for it to automatically come on, just to see if you're getting sound through it? I once had a setting that, no matter how loud the bass was, it never turned on the bass automatically. I changed the settings since then and now it comes on fine, but just another thing you might want to check. Eliminate problems until you get to the source, that's my motto

As for your surrounds, I had the same problem with no sound coming from the rear speakers. Turns out what Onkyo labels as "rear surrounds" are actually the 6 and 7 speakers in a 7.1 setup. If you're not getting any sound at all while playing a DVD, try unplugging the rears from the Onkyo and connecting them to the other Surround outputs (I forget what they're actually called).

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I used Audyssey too, but then I did some further tweaking myself. Even though I have the Klipsch Reference Series 5.1 setup that can more than handle the bass, I've always read that I should set my L/R speakers, as well as the rest, to Small, and to use a cutoff of 60Hz.

Oh, and just out of curiosity, have you tried manually turning on the Sub instead of waiting for it to automatically come on, just to see if you're getting sound through it? I once had a setting that, no matter how loud the bass was, it never turned on the bass automatically. I changed the settings since then and now it comes on fine, but just another thing you might want to check. Eliminate problems until you get to the source, that's my motto

As for your surrounds, I had the same problem with no sound coming from the rear speakers. Turns out what Onkyo labels as "rear surrounds" are actually the 6 and 7 speakers in a 7.1 setup. If you're not getting any sound at all while playing a DVD, try unplugging the rears from the Onkyo and connecting them to the other Surround outputs (I forget what they're actually called).

Well, before I read this, I went in and lowered the subwoofer to 80Hz (that's the lowest it would go). While I was in the speaker setup, I got to a screen that sends "snow" through the selected speaker. I sent this to the SW and no sound. Turned the SW off and then on to get out of standby mode and it produced tone. I tried LOTR again while the SW was in standby with no luck. I then turned the SW off and on so it wasn't in standby mode and it worked like a charm. I tried it with Transformers and I still don't get sound (with or without the SW in standby). Maybe it's a bad scend (it's the one where the "scorpion" transformer attacks in the desert).

I can set my SW to never go in to standby mode, but would this be bad. It's very frustrating to me. Also, the surround speakers are correct. I have them in Surround L/R. For 7.1, Onkyo uses surround back L/R.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:39 PM   #14  
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Thanks BNCR, I didn't know about that, but:

"Your model does not require an update."
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Have you updated your player to the latest software?

Firmware Update Version: 2.7

Applicable Models: HD-XA2, HD-A20, HD-A2, HD-A2W, and HD-D2.

Overview: As part of our commitment to provide world-class service to our customers, Toshiba is supplying this firmware update for use by purchasers of Toshiba HD DVD Player models listed above. This firmware update improves support for 1080p/24Hz OUTPUT, improves network connectivity supporting the download of web-enabled network content associated with certain HD DVD discs, and also addresses certain disc playback and HDMI/DVI related issues identified by Toshiba. In addition, this firmware update provides High Bit Rate Audio functionality for the HD-XA2 player. When integrated through the HDMI connection to a 7.1 capable multi-channel A/V receiver, High Bit Rate Audio has the potential to offer the latest in high definition surround sound.


http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/tacpasse...d2firmware.asp

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