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Old 02-01-2007, 03:29 PM   #16  
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I think the disc space thing is a limitation. For now most if not all movies are fine but more is better. Especially if it costs the same. With dual layers whe are looking at 30GB vs 50GB. Thats a huge difference. TV box sets are a perfect example a whole season in HD might fit on 3 discs vs 5 discs. There is alot of space for whatever the studio wants to put on there. I can imagine game demos and PC content or even discs that have part 1 and 2 of a movie on the same disc in HD.

Then there is the PC data side of things. No matter who you are you have to admit that more GB storage is better at the same costs. I was in frys at lunch today and the price of blank BD and HD-DVD are almost identical at around $18-$20 each. I saw a Sony and Lite-on BD internal PC burner for $549 but could not find a HD-Burner. It seems like HD-DVD is not in the PC market as much as Blu-Ray even though they had a big head start in the format war.
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Old 02-02-2007, 08:14 AM   #17  
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And let's be real: even if Blu-Ray could get all three LOTRs on one disc, they would not charge you a one-movie price; you're still buying three movies, so you'd still pay for three movies.
Disagree. Since the introduction of Discs instead of VHS tapes, movie prices have plummeted. Ditto TV shows:

Star Trek TNG on tape = ~$1300
Star Trek TNG on disc = ~$350.

I bought Star Wars SE on tape for $25. I purchased it a second time on disc for $15. Same movie; same tv show. You say the price should remain the same, but that hasn't happened. So why the drop in price? Because a disc costs less to produce than a complicated tape.



And the same principle applies to Bluray vs. HD-DVD. If they can squeeze all the TV show's season-long content onto just *3* Bluray vs 6 HD-DVDs, the cost to manufacture will be lower..... and those costs will, someday, result in a lower Retail Tag.

Instead of paying ~$350 for Star Trek TNG on HD-DVD (6 discs/season * 7 seasons = 42).... sometime around 2010, you could get Star Trek TNG on Bluray 50 gig..... with half as many discs.... and only pay ~$175. Fewer discs; cheaper to produce; lower price. (The same way that Star Trek TNG dropped from ~$1300 on VHS to only ~$350 on disc.)

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Old 02-02-2007, 09:38 AM   #18  
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Sorry, but someone who works for the HD camp has already said the company does not see the point in trying to cram all three movies on one disc, because of the point I made.

Consumers have been conditioned by DVDs: if they are going to pay more, they expect more features and more discs. DVD prices have been pretty static for years, and I don't see high def prices dropping at a faster rate than SD prices did.

Remember, the format "war" will be won (if such athing ever happens) by the average consumer, and the average consumer can rationalize dropping $50 on a TV season because they get five, six, or seven discs. To them, that is more acceptable than paying the same price and getting one or two discs.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:39 AM   #19  
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I also seem to remember Toshiba announcing that HD will have 50 gig capacity, as well, so isn't this a moot point?
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Old 02-02-2007, 04:50 PM   #20  
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Well, I am still format neutral, and I am hardly an HD DVD fanboy. I may seem so after purchasing the XA2, but if you care to look up my posts on this "war" you'll see that I too, felt from the outset that BD is the more technologically advanced format.

Here is my current stance on the issue. First off, I really don't care about price. Through luck, I am in a position that I can splurge on this type of thing without financial stress. Therefore, HD DVD being touted as the consumers choice, etc, means nothing to me really. The first thing that attracted me to Blu-ray was, more manufacturers to choose from, as well as higher profile manufacturers, software that is "seemingly" more advanced, and mainly more dedicated studios to the format. However, my leanings toward Blu-ray have really waned, and I am now on even more neutral ground, if not slightly leaning more towards HD DVD.

Here's why: I don't like to be played as a sucker. Nothing in life turns me off more than when I feel I am being played for the fool. Blu-ray, either intenionally or non-intentionally does just that with consumers and here is why:

1. All of the current standalone Blu-rays are severly overpriced for what they offer in comparison to HD DVD players. This is an irrefutable fact!!!! Trying to argue against that is imbecile. We are talking about the same technology in players here, and one is priced so far out of wack it is ridiculous. If you compare the best that HD DVD has to offer, CURRENTLY, to the best that Blu-ray standalones have to offer, the Blu-rays are higher in price and are no comparison to the hardware built into the HD DVD players. Again, we are talking about the exact same Blu-ray technology in each as well.

2. All of the current standalone Blu-ray players are non-HDMI 1.3 compliant or capably. This is ridiculous for players in any of their price range. They are all going to be obsolete in a few short months.

3. The only player that is even worth spending the money on is the Sony playstation, because it is HDMI 1.3 compliant. I don't need another game machine and I shouldn't be forced into buying the Sony PS3 just to enjoy the BD format without feeling I am being completely ripped off.

4. None of the BD players currently available have built in audio decoders so BD is forcing you to purchase a new receiver to enjoy their format to it's fullest extent. Mind you, Dolby labs has repeatedly stated that the decoders should be manufactured in player.

5. BD titles out of the gate were extremely poor transfers, and this is fact. From my experience, overall, HD DVD titles were much better transfers overall, even with more recent titles. That's just my opionion.

6. There are currently no features on BD titles that justify having all that extra space, so who cares if it's there!!!!

These are things that HD DVD supporters have been saying all along. The fact that most people here are, or have been become HD DVD supporters probably has more to do with people being more informed than it has anything else. Most people just aren't aware of these differences, and I place myself among them. I am very thankful to this site, and posters like PFC5 that opened my eyes.

Early adoption over one format than the other, also probably has to do with being more informed. The two formats were only released a couple months apart and the specs on the players were well known to most prior to release. Given the cold, hard facts, it's no wonder people jumped on HD DVD rather than wait for Blu-ray.

I am still format neutral, mainly because I want the ability to watch whichever movie I want in HD, and not have to worry about studio exclusivity. If not for that aspect, if exclusivity was a non-issue, I'd probably be 100% HD DVD dedicated.

If Blu-ray would come out with a player that is worth purchasing, I'd be back on board with them pronto. I've got about $250 in BD titles just collecting dust because I can't stand to be a sucker.
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:24 PM   #21  
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In addition to what I stated previously, here is one more thing to think about. A lot of you BD hardcore fanatics, and I will lump myself in with you, think that you are pushing the best format for the future. That actually may be so!!!! The thing you are seeing here, however, is that we are pretty much all hardcore audio/videophiles. None of us are going to wait the 2 to 5 years it will take for BD to maximize it's potential, when we can start enjoying HD transfers (that seem to be better, I might add) right now. Think about it. I don't think anyone here, if they are honest, are going to say they would never buy Blu-ray even if it was "without a doubt" the best format. Even if they hate Sony. The reason, I, and so many others here are on HD DVD IS because it's the best right now!

Do you really think people that have to be on the cutting edge of A/V are going to sit and wait for BD to be worth it???? Think.

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Old 02-03-2007, 01:08 PM   #22  
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That's quite an diatribe against one of the format after professing neutrality.

Seriously, I think both "camps" are playing us for fools. Especially after it's so damn obvious that a lot of folks really lost out during the beta/VHS thing. The REALLY curious thing is that a lot of folks felt VHSs ability to bring bigger capacity to market much faster than beta was a key factor in it's "win."

I say a pox on both sides! Vote with your wallet (as in keep it in your pants). Let these guys wither a bit until they wake and MAKE the frakking deal to give us a single format. And for heavens sake, ban anyone who says 1200 dollar combo players are any sort of answer.
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