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Old 03-16-2012, 07:16 AM   #1  
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Hello folks,

I have a question concerning my recently purchased 709. I upgraded from a dying 606 (the HDMI daughterboard dilemma) and I have a concern. I ran Audyssey just like I did with my 606 back in 2008, but it seems to need additional volume to hear anything. With my 606 a volume of 25-35 would work for virtually every SAT channel, but now it takes 40-50 to get the same volume level. I use PLII Movie for DD 5.1 and All CH Stereo for all other channels. Is this normal for the 709 or is there a setting that I need to tweak somewhere?

Someone please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
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Perhaps it is due to the different DAC in the 709 or that the attenuation is somehow different. I know that the levels set on my 905 by audyssey differed from what was set on my 606 and the resulting values on the 'volume knob' are different.

a) Once you turn your 709 to the appropriate level how is your sound?
b) Overall how do you like the 709 so far?
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Perhaps it is due to the different DAC in the 709 or that the attenuation is somehow different. I know that the levels set on my 905 by audyssey differed from what was set on my 606 and the resulting values on the 'volume knob' are different.

a) Once you turn your 709 to the appropriate level how is your sound?
b) Overall how do you like the 709 so far?
a) Yeah, the sound is great. There's definitely a little more oomph going to my speakers because they are receiving more power. I just don't understand why there's almost no sound once I get down around a volume of 25-30 when 25 was low, but audible with my 606. Am I just being overly paranoid?
b) I like it for the most part. Do you have a list of recommended setting jk?
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I believe the 'oomph' that you speak of is the increased dynamic headroom available from the larger amplifier/power supply. I know what you mean at times I would describe the sound from my 606 as accurate yet somehow 'thin' at times. Initially I had moved from the 606 to the 905 for two main reasons -

1) Dual HDMI out - at that time there were only like 3 AVR on the Market (875 ,905 and a Denon) that had dual HDMI out which I needed/wanted as the splitters I had tried were ineffective (actually I needed a switch it seems - not to common back then)
2) Got an unbelievable deal 905 MSRP at that time ~$2200 street price was ~$14-$1500 and I paid $250 and had to get a solder on one board done for $70

WHat I wasn't counting on was the fuller sound I got after the upgrade.
I will check my settings at home and let you know what I typically use. One for sure I know but I don't think you have is Ultra2 Thx expansion (a fancy PLIIx like extender from 5.1 to 7.1) also Neural thx for tv shows with low dialog I like.

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I believe the 'oomph' that you speak of is the increased dynamic headroom available from the larger amplifier/power supply. I know what you mean at times I would describe the sound from my 606 as accurate yet somehow 'thin' at times. Initially I had moved from the 606 to the 905 for two main reasons -

1) Dual HDMI out - at that time there were only like 3 AVR on the Market (805 ,905 and a Denon) that had dual HDMI out which I needed/wanted as the splitters I had tried were ineffective (actually I needed a switch it seems - not to common back then)
2) Got an unbelievable deal 905 MSRP at that time ~$2200 street price was ~$14-$1500 and I paid $250 and had to get a solder on one board done for $70

WHat I wasn't counting on was the fuller sound I got after the upgrade.
I will check my settings at home and let you know what I typically use. One for sure I know but I don't think you have is Ultra2 Thx expansion (a fancy PLIIx like extender from 5.1 to 7.1) also Neural thx for tv shows with low dialog I like.
Sounds like you got an awesome deal.

Yeah, let me know on the list of settings because I am OCD when it comes to video and audio calibration.
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Watched my first BD on the 709 tonight and I immediately realized just how much it dwarfs the 606. The sound is richer, fuller, and packs more punch, which is nice to hear since I am using the same speakers I've had since 2008 for my 7.1 setup. I watched The Adventures of Tintin and boy did it give my system a ride. I had the volume at about 60.

jk at what volume do you usually watch BDs?
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Watched my first BD on the 709 tonight and I immediately realized just how much it dwarfs the 606. The sound is richer, fuller, and packs more punch, which is nice to hear since I am using the same speakers I've had since 2008 for my 7.1 setup. I watched The Adventures of Tintin and boy did it give my system a ride. I had the volume at about 60.

jk at what volume do you usually watch BDs?
Glad you like it. I switched to Denon in 2010. 60? I guess on the Onkyo the higher number the louder it gets? (I can't remember lol) BTW Goof are you still using the sub that came with your 1st system?
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Glad you like it. I switched to Denon in 2010. 60? I guess on the Onkyo the higher number the louder it gets? (I can't remember lol) BTW Goof are you still using the sub that came with your 1st system?
Yeah, this one: http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-SKW204-R...9&sr=8-1-spell Rocks the house quite effectively with 230 watts and a 10" cone.
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Goofnut - I use the relative scale and for tv at about -25- -28db and when the screen is down for movies about -20 - -18db.
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Goofnut - I use the relative scale and for tv at about -25- -28db and when the screen is down for movies about -20 - -18db.
How do you change it to relative?
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How do you change it to relative?
It is in one of the set-up menus "Volume Display" choices are Absolute and Relative. When in relative my scale is - infinity to +15db I have my volume governed/capped at 0db but if you go above about -15db you would have to shout in that room just to be heard and your hearing would get damaged before too long. (IIRC my speakers are either 95db or 96db efficiency). Also in the set-up is a choice for when you power on to have a set volume level or whatever it was when you had powered off as well as leveling all the different inputs +/- db in order to get the same volume level across all inputs so your dvd player isn't twice as loud as your tv which is 1/4 as loud as a ps3 etc. each time you switch an input.

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As far as your volume, I have the NR708 with the same issue. I have to run 90% of everything at 55-60. Loudly recorded things I run at 45. If everyone's asleep I run it at 36, but can barely hear it. My old Yamaha 661 I ran at half this volume and could blow everyone out of the room. But the Onkyo has a much cleaner sound.

If you look at the page in the manual explaining the different sound fields, they do an excellent job of plainly explaining what each are, and which one you should use depending on the recorded material and the source. I was always confused by DTS or NEO or PLII, etc. Now I have them all down to an art.
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Hello folks,

I have a question concerning my recently purchased 709. I upgraded from a dying 606 (the HDMI daughterboard dilemma) and I have a concern. I ran Audyssey just like I did with my 606 back in 2008, but it seems to need additional volume to hear anything. With my 606 a volume of 25-35 would work for virtually every SAT channel, but now it takes 40-50 to get the same volume level. I use PLII Movie for DD 5.1 and All CH Stereo for all other channels. Is this normal for the 709 or is there a setting that I need to tweak somewhere?

Someone please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
Just my 2 cents. Speaker Setup,THX Audio Setup, I turned off Loudness Plus and set Preserve THX settings to No. Then under Audio Adjust, Dolby... Dolby EX to Auto and Dolby Volume to Off. Source Setup... Audyssey, Movie, (the Movie option does not appear until you run the full Audyssey setup program) Dynamic EQ ON, Reference level 10-15, Dynamic Volume Medium. Source setup... Intellivolume, set it higher for more volume levels. You need to set this up for each device, ie BD, CD etc...

I am new at all of this and I hope I am not giving you incorrect settings. So if anyone wants to chime in on what may be wrong by using these settings, please let me know.

Now I have great Volume at lower levels even at 10 where before it was 50. Hope that helps.

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Just my 2 cents. Speaker Setup,THX Audio Setup, I turned off Loudness Plus and set Preserve THX settings to No. Then under Audio Adjust, Dolby... Dolby EX to Auto and Dolby Volume to Off. Source Setup... Audyssey, Movie, (the Movie option does not appear until you run the full Audyssey setup program) Dynamic EQ ON, Reference level 10-15, Dynamic Volume Medium. Source setup... Intellivolume, set it higher for more volume levels. You need to set this up for each device, ie BD, CD etc...

I am new at all of this and I hope I am not giving you incorrect settings. So if anyone wants to chime in on what may be wrong by using these settings, please let me know.

Now I have great Volume at lower levels even at 10 where before it was 50. Hope that helps.
I'll give these settings a try. Thanks.
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Just my 2 cents. Speaker Setup,THX Audio Setup, I turned off Loudness Plus and set Preserve THX settings to No. Then under Audio Adjust, Dolby... Dolby EX to Auto and Dolby Volume to Off. Source Setup... Audyssey, Movie, (the Movie option does not appear until you run the full Audyssey setup program) Dynamic EQ ON, Reference level 10-15, Dynamic Volume Medium. Source setup... Intellivolume, set it higher for more volume levels. You need to set this up for each device, ie BD, CD etc...

I am new at all of this and I hope I am not giving you incorrect settings. So if anyone wants to chime in on what may be wrong by using these settings, please let me know.

Now I have great Volume at lower levels even at 10 where before it was 50. Hope that helps.
Thanks for doing the footwork! Mine sounds much better too now!

EDIT: After restarting the system after the changes, where I used to listen to Dish at 55 or 60 I'm now on 26. I'm half-deaf after 44 years of playing hard rock guitar, so I'll bet 26 will be loud to the family!

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