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Old 01-06-2011, 09:32 AM   #181  
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:40 PM   #182  
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hi everyone

got a 606 had it for 3 days and bought it for 120

ive been reading this and avs thread regarding replacing capacitors for the fix, ive got full hdmi working on all inputs, no component or composite and osd.
i was considering swapping the capacitors but ive just done the hold display button press standby and cycled over to vd where it says ??????

does this mean that changing capacitors is only going to prolong the life of my hdmi side of things and keep it working as it is, and ive got no chance of getting component and osd working through hdmi, or is it possible that changing the capacitors will bring this vd=??????? back to life or is my hdmi board dead on the component upscaling side of things??
ive pm splart as he seems like the one who knows, but only just done the vd=??????? thing so im thinking i need to return the reciever, or ask the guy for a descent refund to reflect its faulty state (it was sold as working perfectly)
if hdmi keeps working then this is still a cracking piece of kit specially if i can get a decent refund and change the capacitors anyway to pro long the life of the bits that are still working

any suggestions more than welcome

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Old 01-08-2011, 01:37 PM   #183  
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Anyone? What are the chances of component working with cap change, zero ?
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Old 01-10-2011, 04:05 PM   #184  
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I don't know if this is the same problem as everyone else but I lost my blu ray player HDMI connection. It worked for over a year. It got flakey and now nothing.

I can take the HDMI cable from my cable box, connect it to the blu ray player (still connected to Cable/Sat which works on cable) and it gives me "no signal". After a couple of players and different cables, it all comes down to the combination of blu ray and the receiver. All players worked fine connected directly to the TV. All other connections to the receiver via HDMI (computer, cable box) work fine in any HDMI connection.

It was odd tonight, I just picked up a new sony bd player and on the first connection, it flashed on the screen, a few vertical lines showed up and it blanked out. Never to connect again after multiple attempts and multiple startup configurations.

Its taking all I have to not yank the thing out and throw it outside. I'm past frustration. I keep thinking I'll find some perfect combination but it isn't happening. Any reason it would only be the DVD connection??

I replaced the (4) 100UF 10V caps and still no go... Could the 1Uf 50V approach have anything to do with blu ray handshaking?
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Old 01-10-2011, 06:00 PM   #185  
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You have a pm spldart.
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Old 01-11-2011, 07:20 AM   #186  
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I'd definitely try the 1mf capacitors aswell, it seems that's the full repair that onkyo have been doing, I'm going to replace all my caps before I loose hdmi


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I don't know if this is the same problem as everyone else but I lost my blu ray player HDMI connection. It worked for over a year. It got flakey and now nothing.

I can take the HDMI cable from my cable box, connect it to the blu ray player (still connected to Cable/Sat which works on cable) and it gives me "no signal". After a couple of players and different cables, it all comes down to the combination of blu ray and the receiver. All players worked fine connected directly to the TV. All other connections to the receiver via HDMI (computer, cable box) work fine in any HDMI connection.

It was odd tonight, I just picked up a new sony bd player and on the first connection, it flashed on the screen, a few vertical lines showed up and it blanked out. Never to connect again after multiple attempts and multiple startup configurations.

Its taking all I have to not yank the thing out and throw it outside. I'm past frustration. I keep thinking I'll find some perfect combination but it isn't happening. Any reason it would only be the DVD connection??

I replaced the (4) 100UF 10V caps and still no go... Could the 1Uf 50V approach have anything to do with blu ray handshaking?
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:57 AM   #187  
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spldart, the video firmware on my TX-SR607 displays ????????????. I did an IIRC initialization, but my OSD still does not show and the component and composite inputs don't work. Previously you wrote that a mod to a specific regulator would fix these issues, but if my eeprom is corrupted will modding that regulator fix it?

I'm beginning to think that I'll have to buy a new HDMI board for my unit... How much would that cost me in the US?

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Familiar with the 606 job from this thread? Yours only needs one red cap and one surface mount electrolytic instead of 4 each.

Locate Q8008. Mount the red thin film .1uf 50v cap on it just as shown on the 606 board.. Locate C8096. Remove and replace it with the same type 100uf 4v cap.
If this doesn't resolve you then send it in for service...
However. Isn't your 607 under warranty?
I think this is exactly what my 607 is doing. I typically leave it on all the time, but I turned it off before going on vacation for two weeks. When I got back, I had no analog-to-HDMI conversion and no OSD. After leaving it on for two days, it started working again.

My local Onkyo repair center is the absolute worst. Onkyo sent me this 607 last year as a replacement for a faulty 606 that still wasn't repaired after three months in the local shop. Now here we go again.

Spldart, are you an authorized repair center? If so, please PM me--I'd sure rather send my unit to you than trust it to anyone else. If it wasn't under warranty, I'd probably just attempt it myself.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:37 PM   #188  
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Thanks spldart. As soons as I get it done, I'll let you know how it went.

Just to be sure, on the Q8008 should I place a red thin film .1uf 50v cap or a 1uf 50v cap?

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Familiar with the 606 job from this thread? Yours only needs one red cap and one surface mount electrolytic instead of 4 each.

Locate Q8008. Mount the red thin film .1uf 50v cap on it just as shown on the 606 board.. Locate C8096. Remove and replace it with the same type 100uf 4v cap.
If this doesn't resolve you then send it in for service...
However. Isn't your 607 under warranty?
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:50 PM   #189  
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spldart,
I have an Onkyo TX-NR905 with an odd HDMI issue... Would be nice if you can point me in the right direction.

The HDMI input accepts video with no issues, but from my Pioneer BDP051FD BR player, it does not recognize any discrete audio signals (5/7 channel)... It appears as a 2-channel input which is then decoded as Dolby PLIIX. With my Denon DVD3930CI player, I get video but no audio from the HDMI input. With a Sony PS3, the receiver acknowledges the HDMI input and I get multi-channel outputs. With a Sony DVD player, it recognizes the DD 5.1 discrete signal with no issues... I have changed inputs, cables and reset the receiver with no luck.

I also have an Onkyo TX-NR906... When used for a couple of hours, the output will display multiple pink and green horizontal lines on the screen on the top half, the lower half is "snowy". It is like that on all inputs. Resetting the receiver does not work. If I leave the receiver off for a few hours, it will work like normal... until it acts up again...

I know Onkyos get hot... I have several inches of clearance on both units and they also have a big PC fan exhausting hot air from the right rear of the receiver. Right now, I have serious reservations about buying another Onkyo, especially when i see a lot of failures on different forums.... Thanks in advance.

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Old 01-13-2011, 11:57 AM   #190  
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Please excuse my ignorance, but are polyester film capacitors the same as red thin film capacitors? Can they be used interchangeably?

Also, is tolerance significant when buying a capacitor? I am asking this because I am having a difficult time finding a red thin film capacitor to mount on my Onkyo 607's Q8008 regulator. (see post below by spldart)


Locate Q8008. Mount the red thin film .1uf 50v cap on it just as shown on the 606 board.. Locate C8096. Remove and replace it with the same type 100uf 4v cap.
If this doesn't resolve you then send it in for service...
However. Isn't your 607 under warranty?

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Old 01-14-2011, 08:15 AM   #191  
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Just wanted to say thanks to all that provided the appropriate repair information for this problem (spldart, others)..

My problem began about 1 month ago, and I was getting really frustrated. Not only does this effect HDMI inputs, but I was having problems with the Wii and component inputs as well; taking forever to switch over (if at all). I guess the HDMI board didn't want to let go of the HDMI inputs properly, or on some level it handles the component inputs switching as well.

Digikey parts ordered:

PCE3867CT-ND; 100uF 10V Electrolytic - these were a little large but I managed. Should have stuck with a lower voltage.

P4675-ND; 1uF 50V thin films - the most difficult part of installing these was scraping through the varnish on the case of the regulators to get a good solder joint.

Took me about 2 hours and 3 Miller Lights for the repair. All is well.

Thanks again guys,
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:36 AM   #192  
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Familiar with the 606 job from this thread? Yours only needs one red cap and one surface mount electrolytic instead of 4 each.

Locate Q8008. Mount the red thin film .1uf 50v cap on it just as shown on the 606 board.. Locate C8096. Remove and replace it with the same type 100uf 4v cap.
If this doesn't resolve you then send it in for service...
However. Isn't your 607 under warranty?
spldart, I replaced the C8096 cap and mounted the red thin film cap on Q8008 as you indicated but my Onkyo TX SR 607 still did not work properly. The same problems persist: no analog video connections and no OSD. I just got fed up with this Onkyo unit and bought a Yamaha VX-R667. The Yamaha sounds MUCH better than the Onkyo and doesn't get nearly as hot. Thanks again for all your help.
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Old 01-22-2011, 05:08 PM   #193  
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I posted what I *think* is a related issue in a new thread (that apparently I can't link to) asking if sr806 problems are the same as the sr606 problems talked about here.

Now it occurs to me that the experts in this thread might not read the whole forum. Would you guys mind taking a look?

Thanks!
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Old 01-23-2011, 08:48 AM   #194  
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I had same problem with blu ray (BD) as well as PC HDMI. Changing the caps fixed it

I believe the problem with the SR606 is worse 1080p/60 than 1080p/24. My PC and BD output 1080p/60 (60 frames per sec) when not playing movie and outputs 1080p/24 while playing the movie. The HDMI worked when playing BD movie but not during setup (Home on Sony BD). 1080p/60 requires more than twice the analog bandwidth than 1080p/24 at the HDMI switch IO, this must be the source of the problem and replacing the dried out Caps with new ones seems to have fix it for me.

It beats me why changing the power supply caps on the 1.8V supplies can make analog work so much better. Maybe the huge ripple on the supply causes a lot of signal edge jitter which can cause the higher speed digital signal to be incorrectly sampled some times.


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I don't know if this is the same problem as everyone else but I lost my blu ray player HDMI connection. It worked for over a year. It got flakey and now nothing.

I can take the HDMI cable from my cable box, connect it to the blu ray player (still connected to Cable/Sat which works on cable) and it gives me "no signal". After a couple of players and different cables, it all comes down to the combination of blu ray and the receiver. All players worked fine connected directly to the TV. All other connections to the receiver via HDMI (computer, cable box) work fine in any HDMI connection.

It was odd tonight, I just picked up a new sony bd player and on the first connection, it flashed on the screen, a few vertical lines showed up and it blanked out. Never to connect again after multiple attempts and multiple startup configurations.

Its taking all I have to not yank the thing out and throw it outside. I'm past frustration. I keep thinking I'll find some perfect combination but it isn't happening. Any reason it would only be the DVD connection??

I replaced the (4) 100UF 10V caps and still no go... Could the 1Uf 50V approach have anything to do with blu ray handshaking?
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:25 AM   #195  
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Okay the good news is I fixed the hdmi switching and OSD, what a dream. I think the OSD died within months of owning the 606.

However I killed the DSP. Analog works, but DSP has no sound.

Questions.

I busted the white clip that holds the power/neutral wires so I soldered up another solution and believe I have 12+ and gnd correct (and again the receiver turns on and hdmi switching is fast and crisp.

Now I don't believe I have any solder where it shouldn't be, but wondered if anyone tracked down where folks kill the audio when doing this fix? I mean hdmi switching is working, nothing is shutting down, things seem to work, just no audio.

Oh ya, firmware shows fine on all devices, nothing with ????????

Thanks

And thanks "spldart" for the initial work and the assistance.

Now I just wish I knew how that 5 wire spring loaded connector worked before I tried to take it apart and totally hosed it BTW anyone have that part number or what that connector is called?

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