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Old 08-25-2009, 01:14 PM   #1  
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With the release of the Onkyo 607 and its much-lauded "Pro Logic IIz Height" circuitry (this receiver is being reviewed in every publication like wildfire because of this feature), and the subsequent release of other receivers with the feature, is it necessary to dump the models we're running now -- even if they're up to date with HDMI 1.3a, etc. -- just to have the height channels? Is it THAT crucial?

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I won't be upgrading just for the height feature... just like I haven't upgraded to get DD+ or DTS MA capabilities. The thought of 6 HDMI inputs is tempting....

What vidoes use the height feature?
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I won't be upgrading just for the height feature... just like I haven't upgraded to get DD+ or DTS MA capabilities. The thought of 6 HDMI inputs is tempting....
+1. I also won't like having to install 2 more "height" speakers in my smallish TV room. Also, the reviews I have seen were pretty unflattering.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10220826-47.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10230238-1.html

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What vidoes use the height feature?
From what I read, any video with a Dolby Digital soundtrack.

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Old 08-26-2009, 01:25 AM   #4  
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I won't be upgrading just for the height feature... just like I haven't upgraded to get DD+ or DTS MA capabilities. The thought of 6 HDMI inputs is tempting....

What vidoes use the height feature?
The SOFTWARE itself doesn't "utilize" or "necessitate" the height channels -- the Pro Logic IIz height specification is more of an "added" layer of processing that can be used on top of the soundtrack's established sound mix.

HOWEVER, the whole thing is cloudy to me -- what I just reported, even -- and we're all still learning about the PLIIz algorithm. It seems, according to reviews of the 607, that the reviewers are running standard DVD and BD soundtracks and then applying PLIIz height OVER these tracks to expand the soundfield (with added speakers in their room, of course) -- not even sure how that works in theory...

You don't have a processor that supports TrueHD or Master Audio yet? Are you running these soundtracks decoded out of your source deck?
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+1. I also won't like having to install 2 more "height" speakers in my smallish TV room. Also, the reviews I have seen were pretty unflattering.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10220826-47.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10230238-1.html



From what I read, any video with a Dolby Digital soundtrack.

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Supposedly, from what I understand, there are "spatial cues" and such derived from Dolby Digital etc. soundtracks to encompass the "height" factor, adding more dimension to a film; not sure if it actually "works" or not, but I have read many positive things about the Onkyo 607 and this height feature in deference to the reports you posted here. The latest issue of Sound & Vision has Brent Butterworth not too impressed -- but not disappointed either -- if I am not mistaken, and I have read other positive remarks about the PLIIz workings.
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I believe that you must hear it and see if it is worth the upgrade cost to you...
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Old 08-26-2009, 09:34 AM   #7  
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I haven't paid any attention to PLIIz so this thread is all I know. My quick response is I absolutely won't upgrade just to get that ability. If years from now, it is considered an essential processing mode, I guess I will have to reconsider.

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I think this quote from Cnet says it all.

"We've listened to 7.1 many times before, and know it's a fairly subtle improvement. So unless your room is really large, with space behind your couch, seven channel isn't likely to create a more immersive, wrap-around soundfield than 5.1. In fact, I'd recommend sticking with 5.1, but take the money you would have spent on the height speakers and buy better main, left/right speakers. That's an improvement you won't have to struggle to hear."

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I think this quote from Cnet says it all.

"We've listened to 7.1 many times before, and know it's a fairly subtle improvement. So unless your room is really large, with space behind your couch, seven channel isn't likely to create a more immersive, wrap-around soundfield than 5.1. In fact, I'd recommend sticking with 5.1, but take the money you would have spent on the height speakers and buy better main, left/right speakers. That's an improvement you won't have to struggle to hear."

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7.1 is NOT what we are talking about here but rather a new height added to the front array of speakers. The difference IS clearly noticeable...
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This could be an interesting concept, say with 2 speakers flush mounted above the seating arena. May have to tweak em back a bit to be suttle. A movie like 28 Days Later that has an interesting rain scene could fade in nicely with traditional 5.1.
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7.1 is NOT what we are talking about here but rather a new height added to the front array of speakers. The difference IS clearly noticeable...
Indeed, L2W...we're not talking about 7.1 -- I am uncertain where he clipped the article from (I know it was CNET but what it was actually talking about, I am unclear...I don't think it's about PLIIz though; PLIIz adds height algorithms to already existing channels/soundtracks) but what concerns me now is that you have heard it and are saying it's CLEARLY noticeable...makes me wonder if stepping up to the 607 or beyond (or considering another brand with the PLIIz feature) is something to consider now...
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Indeed, L2W...we're not talking about 7.1 -- I am uncertain where he clipped the article from (I know it was CNET but what it was actually talking about, I am unclear...I don't think it's about PLIIz though; PLIIz adds height algorithms to already existing channels/soundtracks) but what concerns me now is that you have heard it and are saying it's CLEARLY noticeable...makes me wonder if stepping up to the 607 or beyond (or considering another brand with the PLIIz feature) is something to consider now...
Again, I suggest that you demo it with several movies and determine if the price of a new receiver is worth it to you. I found it to add much more depth and presence to movie soundtracks I already own and love so it was/is worth the added expense to me. On the other hand, I am an early adopter and don't consider $ too much when finding new technology that is of benefit to me no matter how small an improvement that may be.

You /we have to look at the cost vs. diminishing returns at some point but in this case I believe this technology to be well worth the added expense.

New Onkyo TX-SR607 and an Oppo BDP-83 would be a killer combo. You would be the envy of everyone who heard/saw it...and all of your neighbors would drool. Of course you would have to add 2 more speakers as well to take advantage of the "height" feature.

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Too bad the new HEIGHT feature isn't in addition to 7.1 (err, 9.1?). I would consider getting an AVR with something that. I need more than just the extra HDMI inputs and height to swap out my Denon 4806. So far, I am able to get by with 3 HDMI and using component/TOSLINK but would like to go all HDMI at some point.
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Too bad the new HEIGHT feature isn't in addition to 7.1 (err, 9.1?). I would consider getting an AVR with something that. I need more than just the extra HDMI inputs and height to swap out my Denon 4806. So far, I am able to get by with 3 HDMI and using component/TOSLINK but would like to go all HDMI at some point.
But they are calling it 9.1 - http://www.dolby.com/consumer/techno...-iiz-demo.html
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Hmm... don't go showing me that!!! Makes my wallet itch!

I wonder when 9.1 compatable will be hitting the market?
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