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Old 04-20-2019, 05:58 PM   #16  
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I just went to Darbee's website and used their Contact form. I gave them a detailed description of cable box, AVR, and 4K tv. I asked them if I would get a better picture from the cable 1080i transmission. I also use ARC as use Roku from TV back to Denon AVR for DD surround.

I also told them that my Denon AVR has a 4K upscale spec of 30/25/24, which is not their best. I do see a slight improvement in 1080i picture quality with the 4K upscale turned on. I'm strictly a 1080i and Roku person.

My wife has her own domain with cable box and 50" with Roku. That's all she wants. I still have a nice sound bar on the list.

I will see what they have to say.

To answer the Question....Ya, what is the point? Limited content and huge expense in equipment change out at the same time. 1080i will be here for a long long time.

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Old 04-23-2019, 01:29 PM   #17  
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I contacted Darbee and Austin Richards answered my questions with hook up..etc., with my equipment. After thinking about it, with the upscaling my Denon provides for 1080i, the Darbee VP would not give me any benefits. I wish not to invest to see if any improvement with picture quality.

He said the 4K unit has no release date.
I thought I would give my input in my case, with how my Denon and 4K tv currently performs with 1080i input, which picture is pretty detailed and colorful. My picture appears pretty real.

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Im really disappointed.
1. I had to buy a new TV. My 2yr old 1080 name brand broke down at 2yrs/2months. No picture. So i decided to try a 4k top tier brand. Didnt work out so well. There is alot of HD1080/720 on Youtube and the web but alot of stuff from the mountain is 480. Very few 720/1080. There was nothing wrong with the 4k TV. OTA and most of my stuff looked terrible on a 4k. Youtube and alot of 1080/720 looked ok. I dont have any superHD 4k material. I took it back and got a 1080. The 1080 worked better for me.
2. I just hope makers continue to make 1080. What do you see in the future? Will makers still make 1080 in the 50 - 65inch?
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Old 04-29-2019, 12:43 AM   #19  
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Im really disappointed.
1. I had to buy a new TV. My 2yr old 1080 name brand broke down at 2yrs/2months. No picture. So i decided to try a 4k top tier brand. Didnt work out so well. There is alot of HD1080/720 on Youtube and the web but alot of stuff from the mountain is 480. Very few 720/1080. There was nothing wrong with the 4k TV. OTA and most of my stuff looked terrible on a 4k. Youtube and alot of 1080/720 looked ok. I dont have any superHD 4k material. I took it back and got a 1080. The 1080 worked better for me.
2. I just hope makers continue to make 1080. What do you see in the future? Will makers still make 1080 in the 50 - 65inch?
For the next year or so, I would say yes. Any further out than that would be questionable. And probably not 65". 43" to 50" may survive a bit longer. Issue will be who is making them. Surely not Samsung, Sony or LG. 2nd or 3rd tier TV manufacturers.
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For the next year or so, I would say yes. Any further out than that would be questionable. And probably not 65". 43" to 50" may survive a bit longer. Issue will be who is making them. Surely not Samsung, Sony or LG. 2nd or 3rd tier TV manufacturers.
i guess i will be then force feed something i dont want. I don't know why we need 4k then 8k. There is not that much superHD stuff out there. This is getting rediculous. I'm fine with 1080.

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Old 04-30-2019, 06:38 AM   #21  
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The so called hype is what sells 4K, TV...etc. Like when 3D was mentioned. Where is that programing being fed? You want to buy movie DVD's with 4K HDR content with the appropriate player to go with it, that what it basically takes.

Then as mentioned earlier, your seating position or distance from your particular size 4K uhd hdr tv, determines picture quality too. There is a distance chart for best viewing for types TV's and content programing, that was posted here.

Some TV's mention having upscaling from 1080i to a 4K screen, but test shows, it is pretty dim. Then they don't have a spec for the claimed upscaling. My Denon AVR does, and do see a slight improvement coming out of the Denon into the 4K TV, for example. If relying on the TV to do the upscaling as they say it will, in my case, there was none.

It is all about content programing to take advantage of a typical 4K, UHD, HDR, which there is hardly any. Long story short. We have a 50" Vizio Smart TV in our living room with cable 1080i, and some times it looks just as good as the 4K TV in the basement, at the particular viewing distances.

Ya, What's the Point???
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The so called hype is what sells 4K, TV...etc. Like when 3D was mentioned. Where is that programing being fed? You want to buy movie DVD's with 4K HDR content with the appropriate player to go with it, that what it basically takes.

Then as mentioned earlier, your seating position or distance from your particular size 4K uhd hdr tv, determines picture quality too. There is a distance chart for best viewing for types TV's and content programing, that was posted here.

Some TV's mention having upscaling from 1080i to a 4K screen, but test shows, it is pretty dim. Then they don't have a spec for the claimed upscaling. My Denon AVR does, and do see a slight improvement coming out of the Denon into the 4K TV, for example. If relying on the TV to do the upscaling as they say it will, in my case, there was none.

It is all about content programing to take advantage of a typical 4K, UHD, HDR, which there is hardly any. Long story short. We have a 50" Vizio Smart TV in our living room with cable 1080i, and some times it looks just as good as the 4K TV in the basement, at the particular viewing distances.

Ya, What's the Point???
hi there TTotter.....way back i remember before the idea of 4k the hype commenting on the idea that they could still the see the resolution lines on the 1080 big screens like the 65 and up. The 65 and up 1080 looked ok to me. Maybe 480 res on the bigger screens might not be real sharp but it was not that bad as it was made out to be. I think it just hype trying to sell us something we don't need. So yeah, I dont need 4k. Im good with 1080. In my opinion the 1080 worked out much better than the 4k. Standard 480 was terrible on the 4k. I just hope makers continue to make 1080 in the bigger screens.

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Old 04-30-2019, 09:44 AM   #23  
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TV Mfg's have to boost sales in some way on a continuing bases, or they go out of business. 8K sounds pretty good over 4K. lol With not much 4K content after couple years. From cable companies, 1080i programing is about all you will have for many moons. Unless a box is devised to upscale the 1080i 4K. Or TV can upscale to full 4K, with upscale specs.

Yes, some 4K displays may produce a more quality picture out of the box, but.....how much better to the naked eye after ones calibration for movies........for example. OVER a Smart HD TV when using 90+% 1080i from cable companies and Netflix for example.

Price of 4K TV's are most attractive and about all you can buy, for the most part. Can the average person afford an OLED? I haven't seen one in a home environment. Have a good day all
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Back in the "old days", my father wouldn't buy a color TV because the only shows in color was The Flintstones and Bonanza.
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TToter>>>>>TV Mfg's have to boost sales in some way on a continuing bases, or they go out of business.<<<<<they already did. Through the decades business gets bought and sold. Through the decades the TVs and components have been diluted to the cheapest chips and parts available. TVs now only last maybe 2yrs, so they have boosted sales with their strategies. My last TV was a name brand. It went out at just a little over 2yrs. So i guess we will all have to buy a new TV every 2yrs. Thats the strategy to boost sales.

Inyoueyes>>>>>Back in the "old days", my father wouldn't buy a color TV because the only shows in color was The Flintstones and Bonanza. >>>>>
when i was kid we had a 19inch Zeniith then a Quasar 23inch with 1 little speaker in the front. It had maybe 4tubes. You had to get up and change the analogue channel dial or the volume. That was the newest stuff at the time. It was a good TV at the time. It was $599. That was a lot of money back then. It looked something like this.
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There is a new compression algorithum coming called VCC. Supposedly what it can do is transmit 4K content over the internet using the same bandwidth as HD (1080).

Currently there are less than 25% of all USA households that have a 4K TV. What with the additional bandwidth required (over HD) the content providers aren't rushing to provide 4K content.

Plus, they know that most people can't see the difference in resolution from HD to 4K because of where they sit - about 9 feet away from their 4K TV. So the emphasis is being placed on HDR (High Dynamic Range) and WCG (Wide Color Gamut). This is something very new to the content providers. So for them, they have to learn how to best master their 4K content so it will take advantage of HDR/WCG which people CAN see from their 9 foot distance.

We take HD content for granted now but when it first became available it was almost non-existent. It took years for HD to get a real foothold on content available.

The TV manufacturers jumped the gun (when 3DTV failed to take hold) and released 4K TVs because they need to sell "the next big thing." Now with all the price cutting, they have lost the ability to make a decent profit on 4K TVs so again they jumped the gun and have now started selling 8K TVs.

5 years after they introduced 4K TVs we have less than 5% of all content available in 4K. That doesn't bode well for 8K content.

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1. The new digital is great. The industry is still recovering from the who knows how many bi-jillions it cost to make the change over to digital.
2. and it looks like 4k and 8k are not catching on too good because there is not that much SuperHD stuff out there or at least not yet. 4k is not much better if any than 1080. A lot of SD-480 did not look good on 4k. 1080 was better.
3. Do you think the TV makers and broadcasters will keep investing in this? Maybe the industry should take a break and think about it before they make anymore expensive decisions.

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looks like 4k and 8k are not catching on too good. Do you think TV makers and broadcasting will keep investing in this?
It's not that 4K isn't catching on well, it's a new learning curve for the content creators. HDR/WCG are subtle changes to SDR. Not every scene can or will take advantage of HDR. If used correctly, it can be a dramatic change but just for a moment or two. You really don't want to try to rely on it as a "special effect." Think of it as the cherry on top of a sundae.

TV manufacturers are well entrenched in producing 4K TVs. You will be hard pressed to find a good selection of 65" HDTVs. Pretty much all are now 4K TVs.

Broadcasters and content creators have the same problem they had when they made the transition from SD to HD. The question of " how are we going to monetize this expensive equipment?" still looms. When ATSC 3.0 goes live next year we will see if the broadcasters take advantage of it's ability to broadcast 4K over the air . . . or will they just add more HD channels instead.

8K has been around for a while. Many older Hollywood movies are mastered in 8K as an archival format; those shot in 65mm. Many new productions are now using 8K cameras for two reasons: First they now have an 8K archival master and second, they can downrez the images to 4K. You get better looking images when you go from 8K to 4K then you do with 4K to 4K.

So to answer your question . . . Yes - TV Manufacturers really have no choice. Maybe - for broadcasters. We will see in less than a year how they treat 4K.
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[QUOTE=Lee Stewart;1422717]It's not that 4K isn't catching on well, it's a new learning curve for the content creators. HDR/WCG are subtle changes to SDR. Not every scene can or will take advantage of HDR. If used correctly, it can be a dramatic change but just for a moment or two. You really don't want to try to rely on it as a "special effect." Think of it as the cherry on top of a sundae.

TV manufacturers are well entrenched in producing 4K TVs. You will be hard pressed to find a good selection of 65" HDTVs. Pretty much all are now 4K TVs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ok, but SD480-OTA and in general SD-480 does not look good on a 4k. It was beyond bad. It was very blurry, bad resolution and bad color. It was unwatchable.
I dont want a 4k. The 1080 is just plain better. The 4k is another dupe. Didn't like it. Now i might be force fed something i don't want if 1080 goes bye-bye. Not happy with this.

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The so called hype is what sells 4K, TV...etc.
Or they could just make crappy TVs using cheap parts and labor that break every couple of years, so you need to buy a new one anyway. But I think most manufacturers have that corner of the market down.
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