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ac1ds0ul 01-28-2009 12:59 PM

House FAILS DTV delay
 
WTF are these guys thinking????

In an absolutely shocking move, the United States House of Representatives has failed to pass the digital TV transition delay bill that was all but certain to fly through just days ago. The bill needed two-thirds of the votes of the House under "special rules adopted for the vote," and reportedly, the vote was just 258 to 168 in favor of changing the date. As it stands, an estimated 6.5 million Americans are not yet prepared for the switch -- which is now back on track for February 17th -- and the money well for government-issued vouchers has ran dry. Honestly, we're elated to hear the news. The February date has been blasted from the rooftops for years now, and changing it this late in the game would wreak all kinds of havoc in the industry, not to mention instill even more confusion. Soon-to-be-vacated airwaves, we're ready for you



http://www.engadget.com/

rbinck 01-28-2009 01:26 PM

Miracles do happen!

Emil 01-28-2009 02:24 PM

How long have people been blasted about this? For about a year as I remember!

I got my cards right away when they said when they run out, that's it.

Anyone that doesn't know about it doesn't watch TV so then it doesn't matter!

It's time people take responsibility for their own actions/inactions.

I'll sure be glad to finally not see those announcements about the transition :yippee:

JPL 01-28-2009 02:47 PM

Just as a clarification, the bill (sorry to say) isn't really dead dead. Much of what was written about this is confusing to say the least, but here's my understanding. Normally when a bill comes along, it has to go through a normal procedure of rules - the Senate passed the bill, but it would still need to go to the appropriate House committee, get debated, get voted on, and from there move to the floor, where it gets subjected to... more debate... and finally a vote. Because that procedure takes time, sometimes the House will put up a vote to suspend the normal rules and take the bill straight to a vote. It's used to handle emergency measures when time is of the essence. That's exactly what happened here.

To suspend rules of debate you need a super-majority (2/3 of the House) to vote in favor. That didn't happen. As a result, the normal rules apply. The bill is still alive - but it now has to go through the normal procedure. However, the speaker CAN reintroduce the vote to suspend debate again next week... so even that avenue isn't fully closed, although given the nature of today's vote, that's very unlikely to happen again.

The normal procedure would now have to be followed. But the reason that everyone's saying the bill is dead is because there doesn't appear to be enough time to go through the normal process to get this done before the 17th. Even if there is enough time, unless the bill voted on in the House were identical to the bill passed by the Senate, there definitely wouldn't be enough time. At that point you really have 2 different bills. Then the bills would go to conference, where members of the house and members of the senate convene to come up with a comprimise bill. The comprimise bill would then have to go back to both houses and, yep, be debated and voted on again... all before it even reaches the president's desk.

Today's action does make it very unlikely that the bill will pass, but it's not dead yet.

Codes20 01-28-2009 03:59 PM

They got something right. Good. This bill needs to just keel over.

hatt 01-28-2009 04:06 PM

They just needed more time to get more pork in the bill. It'll pass before the cutoff date, don't worry.

BrianO 01-28-2009 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatt (Post 810089)
They just needed more time to get more pork in the bill. It'll pass before the cutoff date, don't worry.

More pork? If the House amends the Bill in any manner whatsoever before passing it, then it has to go back to the Senate for reconsideration.

Chris Gerhard 01-28-2009 04:17 PM

I hope it fails the next time it is up for a vote. What a joke this is turning out to be. After all these years our government is going to delay this another 4 months? I sure hope not.

Chris

hatt 01-28-2009 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianO (Post 810094)
More pork? If the House amends the Bill in any manner whatsoever before passing it, then it has to go back to the Senate for reconsideration.

And?

JPL 01-28-2009 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatt (Post 810100)
And?

And... it won't pass in time. If the bill that the House votes on is different, in any way, than the Senate version, then like I said you have 2 different bills. They have to be reconciled. To do that, select members of both chambers (house and senate) go into conference, and come up with a brand new bill which is a comprimise of the first two. That bill would then have to go back to both the house and the senate, back into committee, to be debated and voted on, and if they pass committee, they would then go to the floor for... more debate and another vote.

Also, while the minority has no real authority in the house (this is a special case, meant for emergency legislation) in the senate they can slow things down to a crawl. The republicans in the senate could (and given what they did in the house, likely would) filibuster the bill. Without the ability to invoke cloture the bill can't be voted on, and it dies. In the house there are specific rules regarding debate. Not so in the senate. In the senate debate can go on indefinitely - unless enough members vote to invoke cloture and call the bill up for a vote. To invoke cloture requires 60 members - failing to invoke cloture is what a filibuster is all about. Keep 40 members from voting 'yes' on invoking cloture and the debate can go on indefinitely.

Yes, the bill is technically still alive, but it's in its death throws. There's just not enough time to get a bill through the normal legislative process.

hatt 01-28-2009 04:51 PM

Thanks for the lessons on how the .gov works.:rolleyes: Now, lets come back to this thread when they pass this or a new bill on the subject. You guys can explain how it was possible.

erict 01-28-2009 06:12 PM

Here is a great vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy-pD-M0rY4


Here is the same lady pertaining to the delay imposed. Volume is low on this vid so turn up your sound.

http://dd.wcsx.com/?p=642

Emil 01-28-2009 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erict (Post 810221)
Here is a great vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy-pD-M0rY4


Here is the same lady pertaining to the delay imposed.

http://dd.wcsx.com/?p=642

I don't see how a 4 month delay will help ?

erict 01-28-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emil (Post 810223)
I don't see how a 4 month delay will help ?

Are you talking about the vids I linked:confused:

Emil 01-28-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erict (Post 810229)
Are you talking about the vids I linked:confused:

Sorry, yes.


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