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Old 06-07-2005, 08:11 PM   #16  
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Oh, please; That sounds like it was cut straight from Hilary's acceptance speech at the 2008 DNC convention!

I don't give a rat's rear if everybody in the US gets a free box and we don't get one nickle from selling the airwaves, but don't try to make me feel guilty about having a HDTV. I've seen estimates as low as $50 bucks for these digital>analog conversion boxes. That's only a buck a week for a year. Are you gonna tell me you've never seen someone buying liquor or cigarettes or LOTTERY tickets who looked like they maybe should adjust their spending priorities? Come on!! The dates have been set so let's just live by them. This country was also built on laws and contracts and majority rule.

Remember when leaded gas was phased out. What did they do? They started selling cars with gas tanks that would only accept the smaller diameter unleaded gas pump nozzles. Why in the world do they still sell TV's with NTSC tuners? This is ridiculous.

As for your bleeding-heart examples, I'm sure they are few and far between. It's not half the country or even 25%. Most people have cable or a dish anyway. We'll all get by, one way or another but let's just get on with it already.
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Oh,Oh,,Cats letting out her age. I wish I could remember the 70's,,,I'm not sure if I've come down yet.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:32 AM   #18  
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Oh,Oh,,Cats letting out her age. I wish I could remember the 70's,,,I'm not sure if I've come down yet.
Still trying to figure out what you are "reefer"ing to above , but I assume it has to do with the proliferation of certain banned substances which have just recently been deemed illegal by the US Supreme Court, even for medicinal purposes. Correct?

btw, It's CatManDoo but I'll accept your apology if you offer one. Easy mistake associating felines with females.
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my apologies,,,,told ya I hadn't come down yet
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Old 06-08-2005, 11:30 AM   #20  
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Cell phones vs. STB's?

Notwithstanding bandwidth and the original motivations to create HDTV in order to preserve bandwidth, why would you compare cell phones to STB's?

Cell phones' evolution has resulted from an industry emphasis on subscriber revenue. The lack of subscriber revenue for an OTA HD box is the driving reason such tuners lag behind other types of equipment (displays, etc.).

Why do you think Tivo has yet to release a stand-alone OTA HD Tivo box? Their primary concern is subscriber revenue; they are not viewed as an equipment manufacturer. Such a box does not aid that emphasis. Yes, they did announce in January that such a box was in development but it's not a priority. I imagine it will only be released to the extent they believe it is necessary to preserve their existing subscriber base. Meanwhile, they'll continue to focus on salvaging / creating relationships with the fee-based content providers that they previously ignored.

You'll continue to get a new nifty STB as long as a monthly fee is connected to it.
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:09 PM   #21  
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Your HDTV and bloated statements have met with more than a bit of ire from the good folks on this forum. Your statement "I feel very badly when I hear anyone charge the public with knuckle dragging apathy and the manufactures with malfeasance and the broadcasters with god only knows what crime." Is so out of line with what actually is going on. Read this link http://www.tvtechnology.com/dailynews/one.php?id=2993 and you'll see the manufacturers and broadcasters crying foul.
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Old 06-15-2005, 08:55 PM   #22  
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I agree with many of the statements made. What I have a problem with is both the CE manufacturers and the broadcasters. They are just as evil and corrupt as the members of congress doing there bidding. The fact is that Wal-Mart and Best-Buy are still selling TVs @$199.00 that will be a boat anchor unless the public is educated about whats going on. At $199.00 the manufacturer is probably working off a 10% margin. I am sure it would be better for them to sell a DLP or LCOS where they can make 30% margin. The other issue I have is that you can still buy HDTVs that don't have DVI or an HDMI. These TVs will never be allowed to work with HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. As a matter of fact, there are currently 5 million HDTVs in the US alone that don't have a DVI or HDMI. The broadcasters are dragging there feet so much it makes me sick. Other than the main 5 CBS,NBC,PBS,ABC and FOX, no cable networks other than the Outdoor channel have any intention to offer HD versions of there networks even though most of them would be total ratings booster for them like Speed, SCI-FI, Tech-TV and CNN. Imagine live from Bagdad in HD or the new Battlestar Gallactica in HD. (Even though it is available on Universal HD, they don;t broadcast in 5.1 sound). No body gets what a ratings boost HD can give them. All they see is that it cost a small fortune to get up and running with it. What is disgusting is the fact that HD equipment is within pennies of SD equipment and is backward compatible. If they would just start replacing the equipment with HD over the last few years they would be good to go. Its sickening and the fact that the federal Governent is involved is even more maddening.
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:08 PM   #23  
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$199 TVs will NOT become boat anchors when the switch to digital is made. Their tuners will simply stop working. Lots of people have digital cable with analog TVs, do they not?? If you have Svideo or composite cable box you don't even need a tuner for that?! Tons of people have digital satellite with analog TVs, do they not?? What makes you think there will not be a digital STB with analog outputs for the old TVs?? You people going on and on about TVs that will stop working after a certain date are the same ones that stocked up on food, water and amunition in December 1999.
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Old 06-16-2005, 01:22 AM   #24  
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Up here in Canada, I haven't seen one of these TV sets with a digital tuner built in... Do they exisit? Is the rest of the world going to be a dumping ground for non DTVtuner sets? What sort of penetration do these tuners have in U.S. anyone with it care to comment on PQ.. upside/dowside compared to your old analog?
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$199 TVs will NOT become boat anchors when the switch to digital is made. Their tuners will simply stop working. Lots of people have digital cable with analog TVs, do they not?? If you have Svideo or composite cable box you don't even need a tuner for that?! Tons of people have digital satellite with analog TVs, do they not?? What makes you think there will not be a digital STB with analog outputs for the old TVs?? You people going on and on about TVs that will stop working after a certain date are the same ones that stocked up on food, water and amunition in December 1999.
What we are referring to is the people that do not have cable,,do not have satellite, and go buy a new analog only tv. This TV will become useless unless they purchase - cable - satellite - or a digital decoder. The people selling these sets have failed miserably at forewarning the public. Now congress is mulling the idea of subsidizing decoders when the mfgs. and retailers should have either stopped selling the sets or put a disclaimer with them.
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Up here in Canada, I haven't seen one of these TV sets with a digital tuner built in... Do they exisit? Is the rest of the world going to be a dumping ground for non DTVtuner sets? What sort of penetration do these tuners have in U.S. anyone with it care to comment on PQ.. upside/dowside compared to your old analog?
Percentage penetration of TV's with digital tuners is only about 15% so far, I think, but it's growing rapidly... as of July 1, 2005 (two weeks) 100% of all TVs sold larger than 36" MUST have one. Since most HDTVs are already bigger than that, almost all sets going forward will have an ATSC tuner. Tuners have gone thru quite a progression of improvements & enhancements over the last few years, improving reception of weak & multipath signals, adding compatibility with digital cable (unscrambled) and then adding the descrambling ability with addition of a CableCard slot. Developement is still going on, that will give us 2-way CableCard or even a cardless version with unscrambling firmware downloaded from the cable host.

PQ? HDTV has roughly 6 times the pixels per second of old analog TV, and gives a digital quality signal without 'snow' or 'ghosts'... and includes digital surround sound like DVDs.
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I understand what you are referring to but honestly how many people do you know like that?? Even the poor area of town here all have cable. I honestly don't know a single person without atleast basic cable.

Congress subsidizing the decoders isn't the end of the world. I can think of much worse misuses of the money, for instance would you rather the money go into their extravigant retirment funds??

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What we are referring to is the people that do not have cable,,do not have satellite, and go buy a new analog only tv. This TV will become useless unless they purchase - cable - satellite - or a digital decoder. The people selling these sets have failed miserably at forewarning the public. Now congress is mulling the idea of subsidizing decoders when the mfgs. and retailers should have either stopped selling the sets or put a disclaimer with them.
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Other than the main 5 CBS,NBC,PBS,ABC and FOX, no cable networks other than the Outdoor channel have any intention to offer HD versions of there networks .
TNT has a very good HD counterpart to their SD station.
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$199 TVs will NOT become boat anchors when the switch to digital is made. Their tuners will simply stop working. Lots of people have digital cable with analog TVs, do they not?? If you have Svideo or composite cable box you don't even need a tuner for that?! Tons of people have digital satellite with analog TVs, do they not?? What makes you think there will not be a digital STB with analog outputs for the old TVs?? You people going on and on about TVs that will stop working after a certain date are the same ones that stocked up on food, water and amunition in December 1999.
Even if they don't become boat anchors, it's still bordering on malpractice to sell 4:3 analog sets at this point in time. These things are virtually worthless, and they help to encourage postponement of the switch to digital. IMHO....
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TNT has a very good HD counterpart to their SD station.
Someday I hope to confirm that statement if Comcast ever gives it to us in HD.
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