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Toshiba's XDE DVD Player: A Threat to Blu-ray?

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Old 08-21-2008, 12:55 PM   #16  
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I found a pretty unbiased opinion on these players, The writer even saw a side by side with a standard up converter, blu ray and XDE. All using the same HDTV's and All at the same settings. All in all.... I think I'm sold, I really want to see this thing in action first though. I, Like most here have a HUGE DVD movie catalog and if I go blu, Most if not all will NOT be double dipped!

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Yesterday I paid a visit to Toshiba for a demonstration of their new XDE DVD player which they purport will offer a new level of quality for DVD upconversion and narrow the gap between regular DVDs and Blu-ray. What I found when I entered their offices was an impromptu game show. Toshiba product manager Kate McCarthy stood at the front of a darkened room and presented me with three high-definition televisions, each the same model with the same manufacturing date and set to the exact same settings. Each television was paused on the same frame from the same movie Spider-Man 3. With the air of a game show presenter she informed me that one of the televisions was playing the movie off of a Blu-ray player, another was playing from a standard upconverting DVD player, and the third was using their new XDE player. The players themselves were hidden from view and she asked if I could tell her which was which?
What is strange about this wording is that they didn't specifically state that the BD player was playing the BD version of the movie. Was this to compare the upscaling of the BD player with an SD disc to the other players or was this a BD version playing? It seems it may just be poorly worded but thought this seemed a strange way to word it.
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He should have made it more clearer.
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Old 08-21-2008, 05:26 PM   #18  
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This seems like a key paragraph:
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From my preview yesterday I can tell you that the XD-E500 certainly does offer an improvement over existing upconverting players and that the technology itself has shown an astonishing range for improvement. That there are methods of extrapolating additional detail out of a simply 480i image is itself quite an astonishing achievement and it will be interesting to see if, one day, those same techniques will be applied to Blu-ray discs.
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I don't see this being a threat at all. People buying HD want this best, XDE is NOT the best. Simple as that.
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Not a threat to Blu-ray, but people also will want the best they can get from their existing DVD collection. XDE may be the best for that.
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If XDE fulfills it's expectations, then it will be the best in up-converting class.
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What is strange about this wording is that they didn't specifically state that the BD player was playing the BD version of the movie. Was this to compare the upscaling of the BD player with an SD disc to the other players or was this a BD version playing? It seems it may just be poorly worded but thought this seemed a strange way to word it.
I'm guessing here, By this paragraph I would tend to think it was a blu ray disc in the machine. Why else would she have the look of astonishment?
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I took a quick stab. The one on the left stood out immediately as being Blu-ray and so between the two remaining I felt the middle one was their XDE technology at work. Kate announced that I was correct and flashed a look of astonishment past me to her team at the back of the room, which told me that other journalists that day had not fared as well.
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Like most of you, I have not seen this player in action. However, if it's pq favorably compares with the Oppo players (which have consistently rated tops in this class) at almost half the price of Oppo's lowest priced entry, Toshiba may have found it's niche. This will take some time to develop however because more consumers will need to purchase digital tvs with HDMI inputs to utilize the upconverting feature.
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Like most of you, I have not seen this player in action. However, if it's pq favorably compares with the Oppo players (which have consistently rated tops in this class) at almost half the price of Oppo's lowest priced entry, Toshiba may have found it's niche. This will take some time to develop however because more consumers will need to purchase digital tvs with HDMI inputs to utilize the upconverting feature.
Or if they have an older HDTV (like myself) a DVI to HDMI converter cable will do the trick.
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Like most of you, I have not seen this player in action. However, if it's pq favorably compares with the Oppo players (which have consistently rated tops in this class) at almost half the price of Oppo's lowest priced entry, Toshiba may have found it's niche. This will take some time to develop however because more consumers will need to purchase digital tvs with HDMI inputs to utilize the upconverting feature.
Actually Oppo's lowest priced unit the DV-980H sells for $169 from the manufacturer. So I would think that the Toshiba would need to be a bit better in upscaling/resolution than the Oppo's that is if they want to compete in the upscaler market.

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ppl that are truely wanting to get the BEST out of thier collections of dvds should just shell out the 600 bucks for a denon player (if they can afford that much) and they will get better pic quality and sound than that piece of junk. Toshiba in my opinion is scrambling to make money any way they can. Just look at thier t.v's, they are crap, I bought a 26 inch lcd and the pic quality is garbage, its so grainy that my eyes hurt, yet when I play it on my panasonic lcd it looks awesome. Not a good thing.
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ppl that are truely wanting to get the BEST out of thier collections of dvds should just shell out the 600 bucks for a denon player (if they can afford that much) and they will get better pic quality and sound than that piece of junk. Toshiba in my opinion is scrambling to make money any way they can. Just look at thier t.v's, they are crap, I bought a 26 inch lcd and the pic quality is garbage, its so grainy that my eyes hurt, yet when I play it on my panasonic lcd it looks awesome. Not a good thing.
My HD-DVD players do an excellent job of up scaling and didn't cost $600 except for the Onkyo. Although I bought them to see HD movies the main reason was for an inexpressive up scaling solution, and they do that very well.
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I know it will be hard to beleive by many people, but there is a rather large market for the high end Denon class DVD players in that price range. Not nearly the size of the market for a $88 DVD player, but still very much worth making a player in that class. There is not a huge market for Bentleys either compared to Camerys, but Bentleys are still made each year.

There is really no point arguing the high end market or whether a given cheaper player does just as good a job because the folks that buy what they consider to be the best will not heed such reasoning.
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People who own smaller sets (32 inch or smaller) will benefit from XDE, I think it will sell for around $100 very soon, BD is still niche product, reason is expensive players and more important $30 movies (excluding Amazon, but not everyone buys at Amazon) If you look at circuit city and BB ads. very new DVDs are sold for $6-7 some of them are $4. BD catalogues are at least $24.99. The difference between VHS and DVD was a lot and it took almost 10 years to completely eliminate VHS, that will not be teh case for BD, if prices pf player don't come down under $150 and movies under $20 for new releases.

When DVD came, consumers were convinced very easliy that DVD is better than VHS, that is not the case with BD, the proof is products form Oppo are still very popular to HD sets owners and Toshiba wants to have a piece of that market, this share is lot bigger than BD market right now. I myself thought of upgrading some of my DVDs to BD but my HD A1 doing excellent job on upconversion and high cost of catalog BD made me change my mind.

I have both formats to compare to, so i can see why cost concious people would do given the choice.
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