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Old 04-11-2005, 06:28 AM   #1  
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1080p DLP(TM) TV Technology in Volume Production and Shipment; Quantity 1080p Shipment Is Milestone for Large-Screen HDTV Industry
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Old 04-11-2005, 06:47 AM   #2  
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Here we go again...chaaaaaa-chingggggg....these TV manufacturers better somehow get some political clout to find ways to pressure the FCC to force more HD programming choices. All these new, wonderful technologies don't mean squat without any native 1080p formats to view (forget that up-conversion nonsense). Heck, the industry cannot even agree on current HD formats.....720p, 1080i...let alone yet another format to further confuse the consumer, and THEY (not us in this forum) are what counts in the real world where most don't even have an HDTV and no plans to do so. Unfortunately, the hardware is way, way ahead of the curve here. Jeeze, I have not even seen a STB or DVD player with fully functional HDMI ports on it yet ( I mean sound and video, not just the video part)...and HDMI ports on TVs have been out for over a year now.
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This is personally what I am waiting for - 1080p. As I understand things, the players will be storing in 1080p format, so when I do buy a HDTV, it is important to me that I get one that does 1080p.
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Old 04-11-2005, 01:12 PM   #5  
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why waste your time and money as reported in http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/ind...=292&Itemid=53

hdtv is dying soon to be on life support
manufacturers putting out 1080p support is simply a cash grab scam supports the report on DHC. Why buy a 1080p when there is no and never will be any 1080p programming.
We will need to rely on CRTC to save HD well good luck sucker.
Disappointing, SD is for the simpleton's of the world and there are just too many.
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:21 PM   #6  
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Well, tbs, how is hd dying if
1) More and more households are getting hd in one form or another
2) Blue-ray or hd-dvd's are going to be the next standard, starting at the end of this year. Those alone would make having an hdtv much worth it.
3) More and more networks are adding more and more programming in hd. Do you think they're just going to throw away the millions of dollars worth of hdef recording equipment they've bought to bring on this increasing programming?
The problem is that it's cheaper/easier for consumers to wait on hd, and it's also cheaper/easier for the networks/content providers to wait, and this game can make things drag out for a very long time. However, it's not like this just started a couple of years ago. It's been since 1996 or so, and it's slowly but surely becoming the standard. So, no, hd is not dying. (you're on an hd forum right now)
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I just read the article and think alot of it makes sense, as you say, th e millions and millions invested will eventually hit critical mass with investment vs return. I know my investment vs return is not looking all that great right now, tv, stb, dish upgrade, cable, switch, $10/mo HD program fee etc to get a few HD channels that show a small percentage of actual HD and even some of that is converted, sim subbed etc etc. The fact it has been around so long and not really hit mainstream yet (what is it 2 or 3 %) is an indication of problems.
The question is how long will the players hang in and continue to invest without getting decent returns. Its what ten years will they wait another ten to see what happens or will impatience get the best of HD and relegate it to a fad/ niche thing. Not saying I like the idea just that this would not be a precedent setting failure and that the numbers dont lie.
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North America’s Future is SDTV not HDTV
Television is a mass medium whose revenue is derived from mass advertisers. In order to survive, networks must produce television shows that are designed to huge audiences.

In our first article we learned that by the end of 2007, analysts expect over 40% of Canadian homes will have digital televisions but only 1 in 40 homes will be capable of watching HD programming.

To date HD programming has been very limited due to its high cost for studio’s broadcasters and consumers.


HD programming costs studios more because they need to invest in new camera’s, new editing equipment, new sets and new copy protection schemes;
HD costs studio’s more because of the added bandwidth required to deliver HD signals. The rule of thumb is that six SDTV channels can be delivered using the same bandwidth required to deliver one HD channel.
HD programming is more expensive for consumers because they have to invest in an expensive HDTV but also an HD tuner and an HD programming package.

Realistically, it’s difficult to envision how or why networks would be able to make money on programming which is only available to 1 in 40 homes. It is true that HD programming can be down converted to an SD signal but this only adds additional costs to networks and broadcasters.

Standard Definition digital television (SDTV) on the other hand can be produced and delivered to consumers for far less money than HDTV.

To date, the only beneficiaries of HD television are the equipment manufacturers and the very small percentage of households (estimated at less than 1% of households) who can view the HD signals
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Post All fine & dandy if the market was the driving force.

But that's not the case... the switch to digital tuners was FCC sponsered and it wasn't to reclaim bandwidth... but to encourage development, specifically for better services and images. One might assumed that with x bandwidth in the digital, broadcasters that provided customers with better services would in the end, win the lions share of business.

Here in Canada, if a station broadcasts OTA HD then cable stations are obligated to provide it as well. CBC, CTV and a few others are already broadcasting HD and cable stations are adding these channels to their line-up.

The common sense seems to be that HD broadcasts will likely be 1080i or 720p and that HD DVD's or Blu-Ray will be 1080p, of course this has yet to be nailed and is in the hands of the content providers.

Once the public gets the taste of high quality displays, just like CPU speed, there's no going back Heck I even enjoy commercials, if they're in high defintion! It's that kind of adventure and interest in new technology that will drive the industry and get people to re-buy their hardware.

Equate this to the Internet, dialups provided the magic... why would you want more speed and pay so much? But when broadband was introduced, providers couldn't hook-up people fast enough.

Now I find myself scouring the web looking for HD content and bugging my local DVD electronic stores about titles... demand is here.
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BluRay and HD-DVD will support all the ATSC formats... and ONE new one is being added to the 18 existing formats... 1080p/60... there are ALREADY two 1080p formats, 24 & 30 frames per second, in ATSC. 1080p/24 is the preferred format for telecine from film... and many current DVD releases are being made as a downconvert from this master... so there's already considerable 1080p/24 content available. One potential use of the 60 fps framerate formats is for 3D TV - 30 fps per eye.

Part of the FCC's sprectrum reorganization plan IS to reclaim spectrum... digital stations will be packed closer together when this is all over, and freed frequencies will be used for various kinds of wireless communications. The highest UHF channels have already been cleared.

On cable, the bandwidth of a single analog channel can carry 6 digital SDTV channels, or TWO HDTV channels.
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why waste your time and money as reported in http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/ind...=292&Itemid=53

hdtv is dying soon to be on life support
manufacturers putting out 1080p support is simply a cash grab scam supports the report on DHC. Why buy a 1080p when there is no and never will be any 1080p programming.
We will need to rely on CRTC to save HD well good luck sucker.
Disappointing, SD is for the simpleton's of the world and there are just too many.
This article is a bunch of CRAP. Not even close to what will happen. HDTV will NOT die. Once we go totally digital and get rid of that disgusting analog junk, you'll see HDTV quickly become the norm. Articles like this should be banished. Boy, this ticks me off!!! Hi-Def might die up in the land of Hosers and Cheap Drugs, but it will NEVER die here in the coutry that keeps our neighbors to the north and the rest of the free world safe from the world's evil empires. Maybe if the temperature ever got above freezing up there their brains would thaw out and leave the Ice Age!!!!!
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Articles like this should be banished. Boy, this ticks me off!!!
No censorship, no way! The answer to BAD free speech is BETTER free speech... I don't CARE what the motives are of the people trying to limit my access to information... I will filter the 90% crap myself, thank you!
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Old 04-17-2005, 04:32 AM   #13  
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HDTV is not dying, but it surely is not even close to where it should be either. We are in a transition phase, where new technologies are springing up at a time when most people are more concerned about the price of gasoline, not spending thousands of dollars to watch a measily 10-15 HD channels. The HD world is a confusing, expensive sand box to play in right now...despite all the advancements. No, it's not dying, but it surely is not a pillar of health either. Prices need to come down significantly, and LOTS more HD programming needs to happen before we turn the corner. Right now, this stuff is just for HD gear-heads, not for my mom or dad...and until its for everybody...it will remain stagnant, despite all the hype. People have other priorities right now and with gasoline going higher as I write this, who can blame them. $50-100 a month for cable/satellite access might seem like nothing to some of us...but in a few months, it might mean the difference between buying a new HDTV or getting to work.
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I don't think it will die, but any economics professor would agree with this article. The figures I keep hearing are 8% of US has digital television. I have never seen a figure stating how many actually have ATSC tuners, or subscribe to HD service from cable/sat. Right now sales are a million a month, so growth is there, but still no stats on tuners and subscriptions.

also, there is no FCC mandate for cable only stations to go digital, much less high def. Do you really think HSN and Comedy Central will go full out widescreen high def anytime soon?
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I don't think HDTV will die. It will just take little more time. My biggest concern is about people who already bought the TVs. It is no doubt that now is the transition period and HDTV has nowhere to go but up. And now with 1080p TVs coming out and HD-DVD(or blue ray) being marketed as 1080p, I fear my expensive HDTV may become obsolete too soon. As history has shown us pioneers of anything may get sacrificed to make way for new things. These people who already bought HDTVs may be sacrificed to better technology. I can't believe they are already coming out with 1080p TVs when large percentage of people don't even have 1080i TVs. Sure it may be good for those people who waited but if all of us have waited, this HDTV would have never took off. It's a shame.
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