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Old 01-17-2008, 06:45 PM   #16  
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They can't lose the HDD, real-time video has to be spooled somewhere before it's burned to the disc.

Blank HD DVD-R media is around $12 for SL 15GB and $20 for DL 30GB:

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...405DBB19A28BB1

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...ABA28A5E7F3BB4
That makes sense about the HD. The media price is high, but again VHS tapes were at least that high when we first started purchasing them. Can remember buying a lot of RCA VHS tapes "on sale" at only 11.99 each. So hoping the media price will come down and that stand along recorders actually make it to market this year.

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They can't lose the HDD, real-time video has to be spooled somewhere before it's burned to the disc.

Blank HD DVD-R media is around $12 for SL 15GB and $20 for DL 30GB:

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...405DBB19A28BB1

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...ABA28A5E7F3BB4
HardDrive storage prices are running .20 cents a gig, with the average HD content pegged at 5-10 gigs (with moderate compression) that means $1-2 to store a movie until HD disk prices reflect that kind of market. The cat is out of the bag...
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Old 01-18-2008, 12:32 AM   #20  
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I'm just not understanding this constant reminder that upconvert is OK. I absolutely do not think the upconvert is acceptable. Unless there really is a HUGE difference in the quality of the players.....that being said, it seems to me that my Samsung LCD is doing the upconvert anyway. I see 0 difference between toggling amongst non-upconvert and upconvert. If someone can convince me that I should be happy looking at the VHS quality picture I'm seeing with most of my DVD's now.... Call me a video snob, but I expect the best out of my picture quality. Why else would I have purchased my HDTV?
Upconvert is good for the average consumer. the people on this and other HD forums are in the minority when it comes to the details of HD picture and audio. the average consumer wont care about analog multi-channel out or whether an HD pic is 1080p or i.

format evolutions come from fundamental technology changes. The shift from SD to HD is not fundamental enough to make a mass market appeal. When the retail point shifts to online, then there is a fundamental shift to spur sales - like Win 3.1 to win 95 ... or the LP to CD. people were willing to shift the way they stored music and switch to the CD.

HDM will mature with an online retail point. I woud like to see on line retail and physical media archival.
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They can't lose the HDD, real-time video has to be spooled somewhere before it's burned to the disc.

Blank HD DVD-R media is around $12 for SL 15GB and $20 for DL 30GB:

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...405DBB19A28BB1

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...ABA28A5E7F3BB4
Both antonline and PCuniverse sell 25gig BD discs for $11 bucks +/- a few cents. checked out the price of burners lately? BD is under $500 bucks,,,,what is HD DVD's price?
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Old 01-18-2008, 06:03 AM   #22  
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...and DVD knocks Blu-Ray for a loop...

The question is, when is the media going to stop concentrating on the useless information as to which of the two formats has a bigger market share and concentrate instead on how much is actually selling?

Even if Blu-Ray gets 100% of HDM disc sales, unless the disc sales are dramatically higher than they have been, HDM is a lost cause.

The only straw to clutch at is the idea that lots and lots of people held off buying until one of the formats "won" and if they perceive Blu-Ray has "won", then they will start buying BD in far greater numbers, not just stop buying HD DVD.

This is the data we (and the studios) need to see and soon. If Blu-Ray continues to sell at the pathetic rate is has been (8 Million potential players in the field and average disc sales around 10,000 copies per title, with a small handful of best-selling titles selling only several hundred thousand), the studios are not going to be in the HDM business very long.
Worldwide the total Blu-ray capable players sold is at about 10,000,000 and I think the average for each title sold is somewhat over 10,000 now, there has been some growth. What we can agree on is that the level of software sales is pathetic for Blu-ray which is a lot better than the format with even more pathetic sales, HD DVD. Toshiba running ads and the fact some retailers still carry the stupid format is hurting the Blu-ray cause. I don't see how Toshiba manages to continue to confuse the market for more than a few more months so I still see hope. Worldwide, HD DVD won't amount to 20% of software sold in 2008 and at some point, retailers won't carry two tiny nice formats and I can't imagine that the format with 80% of the sales will be the format to go.

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If someone can convince me that I should be happy looking at the VHS quality picture I'm seeing with most of my DVD's now....
If you are getting VHS quality out of your DVD picture then you may need a new DVD player.
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Both antonline and PCuniverse sell 25gig BD discs for $11 bucks +/- a few cents. checked out the price of burners lately? BD is under $500 bucks,,,,what is HD DVD's price?
I can't speak for HD-DVD, but how's this for a BD burner.

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...094&CatId=2537

Blu-Ray burner, HD-DVD reader, DVD burner; all for under $300 CAD.
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If you are getting VHS quality out of your DVD picture then you may need a new DVD player.
...or he needs to check his hook-up and picture settings.

If he's not being facetious about his DVD's looking like VHS, then he must have a set up problem. Even Blu-Ray or HD DVD will look awful if hooked up via Composite Video or S-Video or the picture settings are badly misadjusted.

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Both antonline and PCuniverse sell 25gig BD discs for $11 bucks +/- a few cents. checked out the price of burners lately? BD is under $500 bucks,,,,what is HD DVD's price?
He was asking about a standalone burner, not a PC burner.

Granted that in Japan, like the Toshiba Vardia family of standalone HD DVD recorders, there are also standalone Blu-Ray recorders available.

The difference? The latest Vardia standalone HD DVD recorder is under US$1000 while BD standalone recorders are over US$3000 (and I don't believe any of them can record DL 50GB BD-R (which cost at least $30/disc).
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Worldwide the total Blu-ray capable players sold is at about 10,000,000 and I think the average for each title sold is somewhat over 10,000 now, there has been some growth. What we can agree on is that the level of software sales is pathetic for Blu-ray which is a lot better than the format with even more pathetic sales, HD DVD. Toshiba running ads and the fact some retailers still carry the stupid format is hurting the Blu-ray cause. I don't see how Toshiba manages to continue to confuse the market for more than a few more months so I still see hope. Worldwide, HD DVD won't amount to 20% of software sold in 2008 and at some point, retailers won't carry two tiny nice formats and I can't imagine that the format with 80% of the sales will be the format to go.

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Someday if those PS3 sales translate into BD disc sales, you may be right.

Let's just say that the average BD disc title sells 20,000 units now (and I think that's an exaggeration since it would require doubling total disc sales from just a few months ago), with 10 Million players in the field that's an average attach rate of 1 BD disc sold for every 500 BD players sold or 0.2%.

The question isn't which of the two tiny niche formats retailers (and studios) will dump. I think we know what the real question is...
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...or he needs to check his hook-up and picture settings.

If he's not being facetious about his DVD's looking like VHS, then he must have a set up problem. Even Blu-Ray or HD DVD will look awful if hooked up via Composite Video or S-Video or the picture settings are badly misadjusted.
Graininess is what I'm talking about. Ten feet away, it's quite noticeable. I am using HDMI cable.
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Graininess is what I'm talking about. Ten feet away, it's quite noticeable. I am using HDMI cable.
I would get the set calibrated or do a simple calibration yourself with the THX Optimizer found on most Lucasfilm and Pixar DVD's.

You want to pay particular attention to contrast and sharpness and turn off any "dynamic" or "enhancement" features.

I have to say that in my experience, Component Video often looks better than HDMI, with less banding and less "edginess".

Oftentimes the upscaler in the display is better than the upscaler in the DVD player. Also, if you have a display with a native resolution other than 1280 x 720 or 1920 x 1080 (1366 x 768, for example), I would set the player to 480p and let the display do the upscaling so the signal gets scaled only once.
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