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[CES] Why did Warner Switch to Blu-ray?

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Old 01-19-2008, 10:03 PM   #16  
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I had friends over Friday night and we saw Gladiator, a SD-DVD on my high def television. The picture was really nice with this DVD. Not all SD-DVDs come across this well.

While I will continue to buy HD-DVDs, since I have two HD-DVD players, I am re-thinking the entire high def movie situation. I may actually go back to SD-DVDs for movies not available as HD-DVD and forget about eventually buying a BD player.

Really am tired of this whole mess.
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Old 01-19-2008, 10:13 PM   #17  
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I disagree. At the end of the day, there's no real difference between HD DVD and Blu-ray. They are simply discs that hold computer files, and the computer inside the console reads the files to convert them to hi-resolution graphics.

Whether HD or Blu-ray won would make no real difference in the long term (talking 2020 here).
Actually, at the end of the day, HD DVD is priced to attract the masses whereas blu-ray is not.

WB simply could have gone to Toshiba and said "We liked what happened when players were sold at $99. Can you get players down to this price permanently? If so, we are commited to HD DVD."

This move would have all but assured HD DVD of an eventual win.
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:11 PM   #18  
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Actually this could be very good for Warner Studios, they managed to get a $500 million payoff to declare their exclusive support for Blu-Ray with an escape clause that Blu-Ray must meet certain requirements for it to remain in effect, specs and sales both.
I read that because of the WB move and tipped the studio support to Blu-ray, retailers may not allocate as much shelf space to HD-DVD titles, lessening its availability to consumers.

Sales data also showed a 2-1 advantage of BD titles vs. HD-DVD titles indicating that even though BD player penetration, excluding PS3, lagged HD-DVD player sales BD owners are buying more discs.
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:21 PM   #19  
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I had friends over Friday night and we saw Gladiator, a SD-DVD on my high def television. The picture was really nice with this DVD. Not all SD-DVDs come across this well.

While I will continue to buy HD-DVDs, since I have two HD-DVD players, I am re-thinking the entire high def movie situation. I may actually go back to SD-DVDs for movies not available as HD-DVD and forget about eventually buying a BD player.

Really am tired of this whole mess.
That's where I stand. My XA2 is an awesome piece of kit and upconverts better than I expected. I will still buy any good movie that is published on HD-DVD and if there is a must-have that is not on HD-DVD, I will get the SD version.

There is no way I want any of my hard earned money to get to the Sony slimeballs. Like I said in another thread, HD movie downloads are on the immediate horizon and it will be so much better than having a disc that can be damaged, lost or stolen. Once you own it, it will be yours forever. You will even be able to catalog all your titles into categories or his and hers folders. No more getting up to switch movies or look for a title. It will be similar to having a HTPC but with unlimited capacity, and same as above, can't be damaged or stolen.

Oh well, HDM will probably be nothing more than a trivia question 10 years from now. Way to go Warner :thumbsdown:

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...HD movie downloads are on the immediate horizon and it will be so much better than having a disc that can be damaged, lost or stolen. Once you own it, it will be yours forever. You will even be able to catalog all your titles into categories or his and hers folders. No more getting up to switch movies or look for a title. It will be similar to having a HTPC but with unlimited capacity, and same as above, can't be damaged or stolen...
Don't know what you mean by "horizon", but at the pace that US ISPs are moving to provide true broadband connections, I don't see anything on the horizon for Internet HD VOD or download purchases. Countries like Korea where 30mbps download is the norm...such a solution is more viable.
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I read that because of the WB move and tipped the studio support to Blu-ray, retailers may not allocate as much shelf space to HD-DVD titles, lessening its availability to consumers.

Sales data also showed a 2-1 advantage of BD titles vs. HD-DVD titles indicating that even though BD player penetration, excluding PS3, lagged HD-DVD player sales BD owners are buying more discs.
I think you've read the all too common Blu-Ray supporters heavily pushed rumors, there is no proof of retailers deciding anything of the sort.

And actually the sales advantage was closer to 1.8 to 1 average then 2 to 1 and if you compare total possible Blu-Ray players (including the PS3) they had a numerical advantage of at least 8 to 1 and to maintain that 1.8 to 1 sales advantage they resorted to quite a few BOGO sales, so from a business profit standpoint the attach rate for Blu-Ray was extremely poor and the profits per disc probably favored HD DVD or at least very close.

Now what made the difference so far is Sony's ability to spend more in bribes and financial compensation to influence support for Blu-Ray and if they don't live up to their promises then the support will dwindle and die off along along with ultimately Blu-Ray.

Warner set a time table in their escape clause that if certain requirements in specs and sales are not met then then the contract is voided, if that happens then most of the other studios will probably follow.

Then the HDM will die until a new better format arrives that is capable of replacing DVD on the market, I hope this doesn't happen but it could.
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And actually the sales advantage was closer to 1.8 to 1 average then 2 to 1 and if you compare total possible Blu-Ray players (including the PS3) they had a numerical advantage of at least 8 to 1 and to maintain that 1.8 to 1 sales advantage they resorted to quite a few BOGO sales, so from a business profit standpoint the attach rate for Blu-Ray was extremely poor and the profits per disc probably favored HD DVD or at least very close.

Warner set a time table in their escape clause that if certain requirements in specs and sales are not met then then the contract is voided, if that happens then most of the other studios will probably follow.
What is your source for the $500M figure?

Whether the sales advantage is 1.8 or 2.0, it still shows a decidedly blu-ray sales advantage. Since Blockbuster does not stock HD-DVD discs and Target does not stock HD-DVD players it makes sense that the studios should try to end the impasse.

Digitally distributed files are gaining traction especially with the launch of iTunes rentals so a protracted disc battle will just slow the adoption of the DVD replacement format. The next technology offering even better picture and sound is just around the corner...

The news is too recent still so we still don't know what the retailers will do regarding shelf space for HD DVD.

I don't own either player or even an HDTV...

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