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Old 01-23-2008, 09:09 AM   #76  
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Old 02-02-2008, 02:52 AM   #77  
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just thought i should shout to everyone. i just got my 6ft 1.3a cables from monoprice. they worked out to be like $4.22a piece. They work like a charm. Why buy 1 1.3a cable when you can buy like 7 for the same price!
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:56 AM   #78  
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From my own experience, I did see a (perceived) improvement in picture quality (sharpness, color) by upgrading an inexpensive HDMI cable with a moderately expensive (not Monster) one from an online vendor, that was validated for 1080p display and contained gold plating and shielding.

Not to say the inexpensive cable produced a poor picture. However, considering my large investment in a 65" 1080p HDTV, I wanted to make sure I was getting the best possible.

Sometimes you don't know what you're missing until you see what you can get.
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From my own experience, I did see a (perceived) improvement in picture quality (sharpness, color) by upgrading an inexpensive HDMI cable with a moderately expensive (not Monster) one from an online vendor, that was validated for 1080p display and contained gold plating and shielding.
It is not uncommon, after spending money, for people to perceive "slight improvements";
this is called the placebo effect and has been well documented.

Since there is no scientific or technical basis to explain slight "improvements" in either sharpness or color,
it is likely that you are seeing what you had hoped or expected to see.
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We need more people to educated the general public on technical devices. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:49 AM   #81  
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From my own experience, I did see a (perceived) improvement in picture quality (sharpness, color) by upgrading an inexpensive HDMI cable with a moderately expensive (not Monster) one from an online vendor, that was validated for 1080p display and contained gold plating and shielding.

Not to say the inexpensive cable produced a poor picture. However, considering my large investment in a 65" 1080p HDTV, I wanted to make sure I was getting the best possible.

Sometimes you don't know what you're missing until you see what you can get.
One could argue that Gold Plating makes the connections corrosion proof but plane old chrome should be just as good for indoor apps. Gold plating won't, by itself, improve the performance as it is too thin a layer to make any difference on overall conductivity (resistance). In fact all plated connections have the disadvantage of actually creating a small additional capacitance in the connector, but in reality it is not enough to degrade performance.

One reason to upgrade over the least expensive cable is the hopes of getting a better constructed and more reliable product. But note that I said "hopes." On the other hand, IMHO, the extra shielding never hurts.

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Some of my older cables are deteriorating.

The plastic is turning stiff; some is cracking.
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The plastic is turning stiff; some is cracking.
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While I am not ready to line up on the side of Monster cables, what exactly is the scam here? Is there collusion between Monster and the electronics retailers to artificially inflate the price of cables and subsequently dupe customers? Is it possible that the Monster cable cost more to produce, because of research, testing, production and quality of components used in construction, and that cost is naturally passed on to the consumer? And because Monster may be price undercut by some overseas sweatshop churning out knockoff cables by working 8 year-olds for 12 hours a day they are ripping off the consumer? Bottom line is if their cable cost more to produce (for whatever reason) and irregardless of whether their product performs better than a cheaper one, they are entitled to make a profit. The market will ultimately determine whether or not it was a wise business decision. And there is nothing wrong with retail salesman "pushing" consumers toward a more expensive product or option. Ever been to a jewelry store or an automobile dealership?
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While I am not ready to line up on the side of Monster cables, what exactly is the scam here? Is there collusion between Monster and the electronics retailers to artificially inflate the price of cables and subsequently dupe customers?
No, there have been no claims of collusion.
However there have been sufficient reports of people being told that "the cheap cables won't work", "the more expensive cable will give you a better picture", and even "you can't get real HD with the cheap cables"; comments such as these deserve to be called "scamming" in many peoples opinion.

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Is it possible that the Monster cable cost more to produce, because of research, testing, production and quality of components used in construction, and that cost is naturally passed on to the consumer?
That is highly unlikely and there is no evidence of any such "extras" that might set Monster above other manufacturers - certainly not enough to account for the enormous price differential.


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And because Monster may be price undercut by some overseas sweatshop churning out knockoff cables by working 8 year-olds for 12 hours a day they are ripping off the consumer?
Now, there is a real "scam" statement . . . .

Yea, gotta watch out for those companies that run sweatshops in China for sure:
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China VPH Machine Co., Ltd. is a specialized company devoted into manufacture and sales of monster cables.
Source: http://www.valveslist.com/monster_cable.htm

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Bottom line is if their cable cost more to produce (for whatever reason) . . .
A statement of which there is no proof . . .

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. . . and irregardless of whether their product performs better than a cheaper one, they are entitled to make a profit. The market will ultimately determine whether or not it was a wise business decision.
100% correct.

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And there is nothing wrong with retail salesman "pushing" consumers toward a more expensive product or option. Ever been to a jewelry store or an automobile dealership?
Just like cars and jewelry, so long as they do not use deceptive methods . . . . which many people believe they do.
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While I am not ready to line up on the side of Monster cables, what exactly is the scam here? Is there collusion between Monster and the electronics retailers to artificially inflate the price of cables and subsequently dupe customers? Is it possible that the Monster cable cost more to produce, because of research, testing, production and quality of components used in construction, and that cost is naturally passed on to the consumer? And because Monster may be price undercut by some overseas sweatshop churning out knockoff cables by working 8 year-olds for 12 hours a day they are ripping off the consumer? Bottom line is if their cable cost more to produce (for whatever reason) and irregardless of whether their product performs better than a cheaper one, they are entitled to make a profit. The market will ultimately determine whether or not it was a wise business decision. And there is nothing wrong with retail salesman "pushing" consumers toward a more expensive product or option. Ever been to a jewelry store or an automobile dealership?

You will notice that my remarks have to do with the B&M's which hawk these cables, I believe that is what this thread is about.

To deal with your second to last sentence first: Yes it is wrong for salespersons in BB & CC tell customers that their equipment needs that "Monster Cable" to work properly, that is not truthful. I have personally witnessed a salesperson spouting that lie, several times.

As to that being a "scam", which is defined in my Webster's as, " A dishonest scheme, swindle": Claiming that that brand of cables are needed for the equipment to operate properly qualifies as dishonest. It is a "swindle" because the motive is to deceive the customer and profit greatly due to its high mark up.

As to "Monster Cable" I actually own quite a few of their products. But these are not sixty or 100 dollar HDMI cables, they are their basic quality speaker cable, y connectors, and a few rca interconnects. I chose them because they seemed to be of high construction quality, but never expected them to perform electrically any better than generics, and indeed they do not. I would never buy their, or any companies, exotic high end stuff as they don't make the PQ or AQ any better. In some instances I have experienced exotic cables that were so massive in construction that they would fall out of the connector on the device or deform the connector with their excessive weight. If you read around a bit you will see a few reviewers citing the same problems with overly weighty high end cables when used on HDMI.

When I purchase a Monster Product it is because that is my choice, not because a salesperson claimed it was needed for proper performance, I know better than that.

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I had a set of monster component video cables running from my xbox to my old tv which was a 34" 480p set. One day when I went to disconnect the plugs,when I disconnected (and I know how to connect and disconnect a cable) the Pb one had been grasped so tightly by the monster cable it pullled the entire plug right out of my tv. Needless to say monster's guarantee that it will never damage your equipment went unheeded by their fine customer service reps.
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While I am not ready to line up on the side of Monster cables, what exactly is the scam here? Is there collusion between Monster and the electronics retailers to artificially inflate the price of cables and subsequently dupe customers? Is it possible that the Monster cable cost more to produce, because of research, testing, production and quality of components used in construction, and that cost is naturally passed on to the consumer? And because Monster may be price undercut by some overseas sweatshop churning out knockoff cables by working 8 year-olds for 12 hours a day they are ripping off the consumer? Bottom line is if their cable cost more to produce (for whatever reason) and irregardless of whether their product performs better than a cheaper one, they are entitled to make a profit. The market will ultimately determine whether or not it was a wise business decision. And there is nothing wrong with retail salesman "pushing" consumers toward a more expensive product or option. Ever been to a jewelry store or an automobile dealership?
FYI ALL HDMI cables are made in China, most of them (90%) in the same factory. BTW there is no such word as irregardless.
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FYI ALL HDMI cables are made in China, most of them (90%) in the same factory. BTW there is no such word as irregardless.
But Belden does make cable in the USA. Unfortunately they send our cable to China to have the connectors put on...sounds weird to me...but that's the way it is.

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I had a set of monster component video cables running from my xbox to my old tv which was a 34" 480p set. One day when I went to disconnect the plugs,when I disconnected (and I know how to connect and disconnect a cable) the Pb one had been grasped so tightly by the monster cable it pullled the entire plug right out of my tv. Needless to say monster's guarantee that it will never damage your equipment went unheeded by their fine customer service reps.
Had the same thing happen with another "high end" brand audio cables. Pulled the RCA plug right out of a brand new Nakamichi I had purchased for my sister and bro in law. Fortunately, the connectors NAK uses in that model allowed me to just push the rca connector sleve back in place and it worked, whew!!! Fortunately it was their choice in cables so did not have to do any explaining.

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