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Old 12-31-2007, 04:30 PM   #16  
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The cable is different compared to a 1.1 or 1.2.


HDMI to HDMI Cables 1.3a / Cat 2 HDMI Male to HDMI Male 1.3a / Category 2 CERTIFIED Cables, from 1ft and beyond - with up to 340Mhz / 10.2Gigabits/sec signal bandwidth. MyCableMart.com ONLY sells HDMI cables from authorized adaptors, as published at HDMI.ORG

My price was $6.25 US which caused me a charge of $6.72 CDA. So price is one thing. The cable spec is another. If one is not concerned about getting 24 frames per second under 1080p or getting the billions of colors which a player and cable can offer to a capable TV, then any HDMI will do the job. Presently my TV is not capable. But I have my eyes and thoughts set to a specific PDP, down the road and my BDP-1400 will deliver.

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Old 12-31-2007, 04:41 PM   #17  
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This I already know, just making a point as the poster stated that you have to have 1.3 cables for 1.3 to be transmitted. That is not necessarily the case.
My post did not dispute that is was not necessarily the case, in fact it supported that position.

However in your earlier post it said:
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and that is disputed by the link I referenced. I was just trying to be clear that there can be a functional difference between a HDMI cable and a certified HDMI 1.3 cable. Will most people run into a problem? Probably not.
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Old 12-31-2007, 08:08 PM   #18  
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I'm not sure why the 1080p/24 issue keeps coming up. 1080p/24 is less bandwidth than 1080i/30. The only signal that might be an issue is 1080p/60.
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According to the link I posted, they found some issues with 1080p. I can't imagine that there would be many though.
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Just what did they do to the cable? Dont they all have 19 pins ,is the wire bigger or what....


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Old 01-03-2008, 05:40 AM   #21  
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Certified 1.3 HDMI cables have the following gage vs length:

1.5' to 3' = 28 AWG

6' to 15' = 24 AWG

25' = 22 AWG

See table for features of different HDMI cable specs: http://www.mycablemart.com/help/hdmi_versions.php
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There are more compatibility problems with HDMI than if your cable is "certified" for 1.3 or not. HDMI was supposed to be the solution to make connections idiot proof. Twas a poor job of specking, creating incompatibilities and necessitating spec revisions. The confusion as to what cables work have lead the "masses" to rely on the advice of the salesperson for their connectivity needs, exactly what should not have happened.


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Old 01-03-2008, 11:00 AM   #24  
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My TV is over 60 FT away from the rcvr, I bought HDMI 1.3 certified cables from LENEXPO. The cable name is ALTONA, it is flat, black and VERY well shielded. It also is made and certified for in wall use. Mine goes from connectors near the equipment through the walls/ceiling to the Samsung HDTV (set up for 1080P/24.) Then is connected from the wall outlet with short 3 ft Altona flat HDMI cables to both the reciever and TV.

Absolutely no problems have been encountered.

I find the differences in cable that should be looked at are in the shielding and cross-talk specs. The size does matter for distance.

Check out LENEXPO's site and look at the cross section of these cables and there other specs. Others would work fine also, I just like the specs for these.

Cost was a little high due to the lengtht of the run, but no where like a Monster cable price

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Question. Do plasma tvs (or any others?) require "ferrite" HDMI cables?
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When I got my HDTV I foolishly bought an HDMI cable for about $65. It works fine. Then when I got my HD DVD I bought a $5 HDMI cable on Ebay - it also works fine. Wish I'd known about this scam sooner!
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My TV is over 60 FT away from the rcvr, I bought HDMI 1.3 certified cables from LENEXPO. The cable name is ALTONA, it is flat, black and VERY well shielded. It also is made and certified for in wall use. Mine goes from connectors near the equipment through the walls/ceiling to the Samsung HDTV (set up for 1080P/24.) Then is connected from the wall outlet with short 3 ft Altona flat HDMI cables to both the reciever and TV.

Absolutely no problems have been encountered.

I find the differences in cable that should be looked at are in the shielding and cross-talk specs. The size does matter for distance.

Check out LENEXPO's site and look at the cross section of these cables and there other specs. Others would work fine also, I just like the specs for these.

Cost was a little high due to the lengtht of the run, but no where like a Monster cable price

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In-Wall is an application where I would recommend spending the money for a known good quality cable. If you have problems, tearing up your wall/ceiling is a bad thing.

Running your data at 1080p/24, aside from the visual benefits, also reduces the bandwidth requirement--1080p/24 operates at lower frequency than even 1080i.
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I have a 50ft ferrite HDMI cable in the wall, From a Sony DG1000 reciever to a Sony 60in XBR1 no probs at all $99.95 from Monoprice also using a Sima 3-1 switcher no signal loss at all. Iwill agree that in a FEW YEARS i will prob want to change it out but it will be awhile befor equipment that needs 1.3 will be out any HDMI cable will carry up to 8 chanels of audio so all you need to change for is deep colour .

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But with an HDMI cable, you aren't sending any oscillating analog waves, nor any power. What you are sending is a low-power digital signal.
What do you think a digital signal is??? (Hint: Oscillating analog wave.) As any digital engineer can tell you, the actual waveform looks more like a "dirty" sine wave than a square wave.

And the quality of the cable affects how clean the sine wave. A poor-quality cable will result in distorted signals that CAN lead to loss of digital information (because the TV doesn't know if the 1.0 volt signal it's seeing is supposed to be a 0 or a 1 - it's become too corrupted).
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What this means to you is that there really is no such thing as a "better" HDMI cable. Either an HDMI cable works or it does not.
Bullshit. Again, any digital engineer can tell you there's a difference in wires, and a poor wire can disrupt a signal & make it unreadable, while a high-quality, high-bandwidth cable will keep the digital signal clean. Perhaps the original author ought to stop opining on things he clearly does not understand.

Not that I think $100 cables should be purchased.
But neither would a P-O-S $1 cable work properly...
you might get a picture, but it would be filled with numerous bit-errors.
Nobody wants that.

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