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Old 09-09-2007, 08:11 AM   #1  
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The Conservatives are to propose banning plasma screens and other energy-guzzling electrical goods.

The plans will target white goods like fridges and freezers, as well as TVs, personal computers and DVD players that use too much energy or operate on stand-by.

The ideas come from a group set up by David Cameron to develop policies to protect the environment.

Although the measures to make household electrical appliances more energy efficient are not binding on Mr Cameron, they are thought likely to be warmly received by the Tory leader.

The group will also suggest scrapping Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as a measure of the nation's success in favour of a model that measures people's happiness drawn up up by Friends of the Earth.

Under the proposals, a cap could be set on the energy use of each electrical appliance, and those exceeding limits could be banned from sale in the UK.

A new labelling requirement could be introduced to inform consumers of products' annual energy consumption compared with other similar appliances.

And there could be a ban on electrical goods with stand-by lights which can stay on indefinitely.

Some 2 per cent of Britain's total electricity use is currently taken up by appliances left on stand-by rather than being switched off.

The proposals are set to be unveiled on Thursday in the final report of the Tories' Quality of Life Policy Group, chaired by former Environment Secretary John Gummer and green activist Zac Goldsmith, a Conservative spokesman confirmed.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has already announced his ambition to "eliminate" the stand-by function on appliances, which was blasted by the Government's energy review last year as a waste of electricity.

The report is expected to focus on plasma-screen TVs as particularly wasteful of electricity, and it is thought that many models would fall foul of the proposed energy cap unless dramatically more efficient technology was developed.

Householders are also expected to be offered tax cuts potentially worth thousands of pounds to make their homes more energy-efficient.

The authors are quoted as saying: "We propose a partial rebate of stamp duty if all cost-effective energy efficiency improvements are adopted at the time of sale or shortly after.

"This should be combined with a zero rate of stamp duty for zero carbon homes.

"We also favour a discount on council tax payable in respect of all homes which are built to the highest environmental standards."

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Old 09-09-2007, 09:09 AM   #2  
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"Some 2 per cent of Britain's total electricity use is currently taken up by appliances left on stand-by rather than being switched off.

Really? Stand-by modes use that much juice?
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Old 09-09-2007, 11:53 AM   #3  
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Will there be a "Plasma Tea Party" on the Thames in the near future? I think the British gov't should find a way to harness all the lost energy from the hot air coming from their mouths.
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Yeah david is a bit like that. But atm we have a labour government which don't have these plans. They are more like "are you a member of freinds of the earth..... Yes ....... Ok get him boys " And gets thrown out of the country.

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LOL so they would ban LCD screens also (on average they use more then Plasma) wait... Joe average only knows 'bout power-hungry Plasma's, you know these kind of flatscreens who can burn-in & use old-fashioned technology

I guess all those SUV driving politicians will switch to LCD screens from now on...
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All of which ignores the clear economic incentive that people have to buy products that use less electricity to do the same job, which in turn gives companies an incentive to invent such devices.

Lots of red tape, taxes, and economic barriers to lower England's material standard of living with "the environment" as a justification.

Just because there is a benefit to a policy doesn't mean the benefit outweighs the costs, but when things like "the environment," "the children," or "the poor" or some other such thing is the direct recipient of said policy, you aren't allowed to consider if the benefit outweighs the cost (both direct and external).
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The UK is the laughing stock of the world before ar$seholes like Cameron try things like this (I am a Conservative BTW although I'll vote labour at the next election!).

We currently have:

1. Members of the Taliban and Al Quadea being granted asylem in the UK becuase they're not safe in their own country since the UK invaded!!

2. A butcher in Scotland who faces closing his shop after 100 years because the sound from his meat cleaver is a nuisance to the new tenant upstairs!

3. A children's entertainer from Yorkshire who is banned from blowing bubbles in his act in case they burst and the children slip on them.

4. The same entertainer who's also banned from using balloons in case any of the children have a latex allergy!!!

...and now the plasma scandal.

I'm ashamed to be British., we are the joke of the world.
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The UK is the laughing stock of the world before ar$seholes like Cameron try things like this (I am a Conservative BTW although I'll vote labour at the next election!).

We currently have:

1. Members of the Taliban and Al Quadea being granted asylem in the UK becuase they're not safe in their own country since the UK invaded!!

2. A butcher in Scotland who faces closing his shop after 100 years because the sound from his meat cleaver is a nuisance to the new tenant upstairs!

3. A children's entertainer from Yorkshire who is banned from blowing bubbles in his act in case they burst and the children slip on them.

4. The same entertainer who's also banned from using balloons in case any of the children have a latex allergy!!!

...and now the plasma scandal.

I'm ashamed to be British., we are the joke of the world.

Thar's pretty freaking bad-- but you should NOT be ashamed: The USA, Canada, and host of other countries could match you point for point in the stupidity category
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Old 09-10-2007, 07:43 AM   #9  
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As long as we think it's government's job to protect us from ourselves and as long as there's money to be made by unjustly suing people, we get what we deserve.

In my area, it's against the rules to build sidewalks, as they encourage people to walk on them and those people might slip and get hurt and sue the community. If they walk in the road and get hit by a car, they can't sue the community, as there was no implied permission to walk there (in which case the driver of the car gets sued, or the company that built the car, or whoever serviced the car last--whichever has the deepest pockets--or just sue 'em all, one of them is bound to settle out of court).
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Kriced, and I thought only legislators in the U.S.A were this stupid. I don't want or need Big Brother watching me. Why does he insist on doing it anyway?
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The group will also suggest scrapping Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as a measure of the nation's success in favour of a model that measures people's happiness drawn up up by Friends of the Earth.
I clicked on your source link because I thought maybe you added the quote above as a comment on the stupidity of those involved, but no, it's there in the original source. What next? Will "Sunshine, Lollipops and Rainbows" become the new National Anthem?
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Actually the GDP is *not* the best way of measuring a country's economic growth and well-being as it includes monetary transactions that come about as a result of losses (fixing broken windows or indemnifying insured people, for example). Neither are things like the Consumer Price Index, which is biased towards trending inflation for reasons I won't go into here.
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In my community, the person who gets sued is the home-owner for failing to clear the snow/ice off the sidewalk. (Which tempts me to lift the sidewalk, so I don't have to bother clearing it..... just leave it as grass. Au naturale.)
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The Conservatives are to propose banning plasma screens and other energy-guzzling electrical goods.
Ultra-sensationalist. They don't want to ban plasma screens..... they just want to limit sales to those devices that are energy efficient. ----- We have the same thing here in the U.S. where those gadgets that exceed too high of an energy rating are banned from sale. (And thus manufacturers seek to keep their devices below that rating.)

I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Actually, I do. Govenrment mandates distort the marketplace, creating inefficient use of capital. More to the point; an old fashioned dryer (which I just replaced after 17 years with no repairs), cost about $300 to replace. One of the new engergy efficient types cost $700+. Assumming that it uses half as much electricity, how many years would it take to pay it back - if ever. And that is assuming that it would not need any repairs (undoubtedly very expensive).
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Actually, I do. Govenrment mandates distort the marketplace, creating inefficient use of capital.
I love you. Someone who understands economics.
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