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Old 12-27-2007, 02:28 PM   #76  
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I'm not necessarily opposed to fuel-cells cars, if there was some way to fuel them using the existing liquid-fuel infrastructure.
Well, that means building tons of new factories (probably solar according to Honda/Toyota) to produce the hydrogen fuel. It's still a major undertaking.

And of course the hydrogen would not work in the
current pumps. Each station would have to install
new ones that can handle the enormously-high pressure.

Overall, I think we should stop trying to reinvent the wheel, and just copy Brazil's example (they fuel all their cars using Sugar-derived ethanol or biodiesel). If it works for them, it can work for us. If it only replaces half the gasoline, that's still a huge improvement.
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OK, forget Fuel-cell--I know nothing about it.

I want home-grown, corn-based ethanol for gasoline cars (both my cars are E85 compatible and just about any car with an engine management computer can be retrofitted) and biodiesel for diesel cars, tractor trailers, locomotives and generators.
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So do I, but it should be based on Sugar, because sugar has almost triple the energy content as corn.

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To understand fuel cells cars, picture in your mind a Battery-powered electric car with its electric motor pushing you down the highway. Got that pictured in your mind? Okay. A fuel cell car is almost identical to that, except the "battery" is not filled with acid. It's filled with hydrogen gas.

So basically the Fuel Cell car is an electric car, but instead of recharging with a plug, it recharges with a gas.
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[quote=electrictroy;463191]Well, that means building tons of new factories (probably solar according to Honda/Toyota) to produce the hydrogen fuel. It's still a major undertaking.

to my understanding, the Honda hydrogen demonstrator is only capable of fueling a few cars, yet it is comparatively large in size. It does not seem to be practical for large scale use. So where can we get Hydrogen from, why hydro carbon fuels of course, OIL being the most likely. Ever wonder why certain high up politicians promote hydrogen as our fuel of the future? Because it would not upset the apple cart one little bit if we still needed the oil companies to supply our hydrogen...makes sense to them anyway!

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So do I, but it should be based on Sugar, because sugar has almost triple the energy content as corn.

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To understand fuel cells cars, picture in your mind a Battery-powered electric car with its electric motor pushing you down the highway. Got that pictured in your mind? Okay. A fuel cell car is almost identical to that, except the "battery" is not filled with acid. It's filled with hydrogen gas.

So basically the Fuel Cell car is an electric car, but instead of recharging with a plug, it recharges with a gas.
We don't grow sugar cane in this country--it comes from the tropics. We grow corn. Lots and lots of corn. And we waste lots and lots of corn because we can't always get it to market in time, or because prices are too low for it to be worthwhile bringing to market.
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We grow sugar in the south (or used to - it was a major crop of the Confederacy). There's no reason why we can't reintroduce it as a fuel source in southern states.

As for corn:

I don't think it's accurate to say it's wasted. As demand for ethanol has increased, the price of corn has skyrocketed... causing problems for farmers trying to feed their cows. It appears all the corn is getting used-up, rather than thrown away.
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And there's no reason we can't grow more corn either, which grows pretty well all over the country. Any issues of supply and demand are transitional until we iron out the infrastructure and begin planning for ethanol use so farmers can take it into account in their crop rotation.

We still let a lot of corn rot in this country waiting to get it to market.

I wouldn't be opposed to making ethanol from whatever indigenous crop grows best in a particular area, although it would complicate the infrastucture.

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And there's no reason we can't grow more corn either, which grows pretty well all over the country.
Didn't I say earlier that corn is a poor source of ethanol? It yields only 1/3 as much fuel per acre as does sugar.
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Yes, but we don't grow sugar in this country anymore and most of the climate of this country is better suited to growing corn than sugar. We also have a huge corn-growing infrastructure already in place.

Corn has a huge number of useful and inexpensive byproducts: corn starch, malto-dextrin, corn syrup, fructose, etc., so there are lots of reasons to grow corn instead of sugar, which is why we do.
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Guys, it's really not about technology or the availability of alternate sources, whether corn, sugar, solar, wind or nuclear. It's about political will and the courage to stand up against the billion dollar oil industry. The oil barons will not go quietly into the night. And like many issues we face, by the time we take significant action, the damage will be irreversible. Virtually all reputable scientists agree that we are flirting with disaster and the environment is hanging by a thread. It's not just the polar bear which is facing eventual extinction. But how do we respond? Build a few hybrid vehicles and turn our thermostats down to 68 degrees-sometimes. It's all about money.
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Well assuming that everybody in the world is not going to radically alter their lifestyle overnight (which they won't), then why bite off more than we can chew?

There is already significant movement toward ethanol anyway (a large percentage of new vehicles can run off ethanol or ethanol blends and part of our current energy policy is a move toward ethanol).

I absolutely agree with those who say global warming is real and a danger.

I absolutely disagree with those who maintain that man is the cause and find the "evidence" baseless and the hidden agenda of those who promote the idea obvious.

Personally I believe we should be good stewards of our environment and should do everything practical to protect it, but the anti-west, anti-American sentiment that runs through the global warming (tm) movement is counter-productive and the notion of things like "carbon credits" makes it obvious this is just another scam to redistribute the worlds' wealth, drag down economies and reduce influence and political power.

Seriously, if you're worried about impending ecological disaster, why are you spending your time on a forum dedicated to High Definition Video?

My biggest concern about the environment is what's going to happen to the world when 6 Billion Chinese try to raise their standard of living to match the West? We can take our nation back to pre-Revolutionary War levels and still not have the slightest effect on that 300 lb. Gorilla.

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"Seriously, if you're worried about impending ecological disaster, why are you spending your time on a forum dedicated to High Definition Video?" Boby

Boby, obviously it has not occurred to you that these things are not mutually exclusive. Think before you go off half cocked.
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Hey. I'm open to being enlightened. Don't just tell me I'm goofy, explain your rationale.

It seems to me the most likely thing to come out of the move toward Hi-Def video will be to greatly increase business with China, thereby hastening the growth of their economy, raising their standard of living and greatly increasing their consumption of energy and production of greenhouse gasses and toxic waste.

What's the upside from an ecological viewpoint?
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Come on Boby, it should be fairly obvious that I can spend time learning about HD and still devote energy to environmental protection issues. I agree with your concern about China. Their numbers alone are staggering and when you combine that with the burgeoning ability to afford gadgets (as my wife calls my toys), the impact on the environment can not be favorable if we continue down the current path. Personally, I believe the USA has to take the lead on this issue and for the past almost 8 years, the solution to the fuel crisis has been let's dig for more oil. Did anyone really expect an ex-oil man to do anything different? Without vision and leadership at the highest levels, most of us will continue to live our lives as though the polar ice caps will never melt. I just don't see a movement from the general population developing over this issue. I hope I am wrong.
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I liked you post jbj and would like to add:

Global climate change has not yet impacted the every day lives of people. For right now it is just talk about melting ice and dying species. Unfortunately, it will probably take something like a food shortage or the loss of a few big coastal cities to rising ocean levels for them to WANT to change. Seems the way it always is.


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