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Old 08-16-2007, 11:18 AM   #1  
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Samsung LN-T81F series

Samsung's highest-end LCD-based HDTVs for 2007, the LN-T81F series, includes the first widely distributed flat-panel LCDs that replace the traditional fluorescent backlight (the TV's light source) with LED technology. The benefits, according to Samsung, include more-accurate color and better black-level performance, to the extent that the company is claiming a 100,000:1 contrast ratio, the highest yet for a shipping flat-panel set. The TVs are said to achieve these deep black levels because the dark areas of the display can be turned off completely--traditional LCD backlights are always on, which causes "black" areas of the picture to brighten a bit as the light leaks through--with so-called local dimming technology.
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Until Samsung wants to come forward and provide details of the exact method by which they come up with the 100,000:1 number, I'll just write it off as marketing BS.
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Until Samsung wants to come forward and provide details of the exact method by which they come up with the 100,000:1 number, I'll just write it off as marketing BS.
Why would they do that?
I'm sure they'd like to keep the competition from knowing how
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Until Samsung wants to come forward and provide details of the exact method by which they come up with the 100,000:1 number, I'll just write it off as marketing BS.
Untill I see an independent review testing that claim I don't belive it.
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Why would they do that?
I'm sure they'd like to keep the competition from knowing how
Sorry, I was not refering to the technology; I was refering to the test methods employed to generate the bogus specification.
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One of the things holding LCD back is the level of "black" or "nothing" if you will, that it can display. These specs while impressive, need to be proved to be great with real world watching...let's wait for the reviews. This could be something big, but we'll see...
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One of the things holding LCD back is the level of "black" or "nothing" if you will, that it can display. These specs while impressive, need to be proved to be great with real world watching...let's wait for the reviews. This could be something big, but we'll see...
Gosh, it's news to me that LCD is being "held back" . . . . what's "jumping ahead" of LCD?

Frankly, I have yet to see many "reviews" that point out the silliness of "dynamic contrast ration" numbers which any informed person knows are completely bogus.

As I said previously, I'll wait to see published test methods and test standards so direct, objective results can be demonstrated between competing brands.
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. . . . and we all know . . . . pictures never lie . . . . .

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big numbers impress little people . . . . .
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This is a step in the right direction, although the contrast figures might be a bit skewed. This technology is only going to improve... hopefully with full colour LED's as back light and the technology to enhance the colour mask.

Side by side comparisons with plasma are going to be intriguing.
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Gosh, it's news to me that LCD is being "held back" . . . . what's "jumping ahead" of LCD?
Just about any other technology beats LCD in blacks, especially plasmas. This isnt even a new development, and its always been the single largest shortcoming of displaying video on lcds.
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Well apparently some people have already been able to purchase one of these TVs. Samsung for some reason has not been doing much to advertise this line of TVs, and so only A/V enthusiasts who pre-ordered have received them. If you do a pricegrabber or cnet search you might find one or two online retailers who have the 81 in stock
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Just about any other technology beats LCD in blacks, especially plasmas. This isnt even a new development, and its always been the single largest shortcoming of displaying video on lcds.
First: LCD is hardly being held back; I believe it far outsells Plasma; the main reasons being overall cost/benefit of LCD sets.

Second: Care to mention some of the other large selling technologies that beat LCD in blacks??

Third: While, even using ANSI testing, and using it correctly, the "typical" plasma set will achieve a better score than a "typical" LCD (I believe something like 3000:1 for plasma and 1000:1 for LCD most unbiased review will admit that the overall PQ is not necessarily better due to other factor involved in the display technology. Which is to say, "contrast ratio" itself does not determine the best picture.
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First: LCD is hardly being held back; I believe it far outsells Plasma; the main reasons being overall cost/benefit of LCD sets.
Nobody said otherwise. I dont know if you just didnt notice, or youre just being dense, but we are not talking about sales here, this is about performance (or lack there of, in the case of lcds and blacks). Of course lcd outsells plasma. They're cheaper, now competing with plasma on a size level, you can hang them on a wall just like a plasma, they run cooler than plasma, and they last for friggin' ever. The comment on being 'held back' was in reference to the article and Samsung making solid progress to correct lcd's biggest flaw! This is about competing with most other technologies (that I had to list later in this reply for some strange reason) in producing high contrast and deep blacks (to bring it on-par with the others listed below), not competing with sales! But you already knew that, right?


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Second: Care to mention some of the other large selling technologies that beat LCD in blacks??
Oh, come on Bill. Its in the nature of lcd technology, and its been known for years! But fine, you need the list for the display technologies that beats lcds at it's 'achelies heel?' Fine, Ill play along. Hmmmm, certainly crt, yup dila, most dlps, and, of course, the already mentioned plasma. Please don't come back with the shortcomings of each of those technologies, because we all know, full well, each and every one of them have shortcomings of some kind! But none of that changes the fact that lcd doesn't do well producing black.

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Which is to say, "contrast ratio" itself does not determine the best picture.
Again, nobody said othewise. Now I'm convinced you missed the point of this advancement and this thread in general. While you are absolutely right, you should never really trust numbers, I'm still inclined to believe the pics. The improvement is obvious, and its progress from a leading manufacture of lcd displays. I'm not saying that makes it gospel, but Ill take a leap of faith here, and Ill assume this advancement produces deeper blacks from lcds, and without sacrificing other aspects of the display (besides price, which is typical of new advancements). Why do I so blindly follow? Plasma half-life has improved a lot over the years, rainbow effect from dlps is non-existent anymore, and it was only a matter of time before they solved the lack of deep blacks produced from lcds.
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Normally I prefer Plasma, but if this is priced well I would consider getting it or one like it. Time will tell. I agree we need some hard proven tests first. It seems very nice.
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