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mayank 11-17-2006 01:12 AM

10 Reasons Why High Definition DVD Formats Have Already Failed
 
http://consensus123.blogspot.com/200...ition-dvd.html

pjc 11-17-2006 07:22 AM

Great article. I can't wait to hear from all the critics.

SLedford 11-17-2006 08:53 AM

Excellent article with valid points
 
I find myself agreeing with everything said in this article. Have always thought that the release of HD-DVD / BD was premature, given the low penetration of HD televisions in the market. The war makes it worse, since people like myself (who would have a HD television and might have purchased a high def player) are sitting on the sidelines.

There are a limited number of people who jump in early, frequently justifying this with comments like "you only live once - enjoy high def DVDs now". And these tend to fall into two categories:
- those that are willing to buy both formats (very expensive and out of reach financially for most), or
- fanatically commited to one format, almost with religious intensity.

I don't think that the formats will completely fail - niche market is more likely.

paulc 11-17-2006 09:09 AM

Every post I have made relating to HD optical formats attempts to get folks to buy... nothing. The vote with your wallet approach. If enough of us did that, they'd sit down and re-jigger the whole thing so there's only one standard. However, I also know the impossibility of that task, there are just way too many "gotta have the latest thing NOW" folks who will kinda keep the "war" going for a while. It's a shame.

fryet 11-17-2006 12:20 PM

I disagreed with most of the article, but I actually did agree with the following statement at the end:

"High definition is headed for a niche market at best, not an industry takeover. "

So long as HDTVs are outnumbered by old TVs, you can't call the players anything but niche either. I don't consider that a failure, though, which is what the article suggests. There is a market for HD quality recordings, however it won't be replacing DVD any time soon. It will probably take around 10 years before HD is mainstream, and until then DVD will probably the be method of choice for consumers to purchase movies. I don't consider Laser Disc to be a failure in a format, either, as it served a niche market as well, although it is a shame because Laser Disc conceivably could have taken over the entire market if it had done better. But apparently in the mind of writer, niche market = failure = shouldn't have even bothered to try. Personally, I am glad that HD is here, and look forward to this market growing.

mshulman 11-17-2006 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fryet
I disagreed with most of the article, but I actually did agree with the following statement at the end:

"High definition is headed for a niche market at best, not an industry takeover. "

So long as HDTVs are outnumbered by old TVs, you can't call the players anything but niche either. I don't consider that a failure, though, which is what the article suggests. There is a market for HD quality recordings, however it won't be replacing DVD any time soon. It will probably take around 10 years before HD is mainstream, and until then DVD will probably the be method of choice for consumers to purchase movies. I don't consider Laser Disc to be a failure in a format, either, as it served a niche market as well, although it is a shame because Laser Disc conceivably could have taken over the entire market if it had done better. But apparently in the mind of writer, niche market = failure = shouldn't have even bothered to try. Personally, I am glad that HD is here, and look forward to this market growing.

I agree too. I don't see why people think this is going to all of a sudden take over. DVD's are going to remain #1 for quite some time. Just like regular TV's were #1 (still are). But today, its harder to find a regular TV in the stores. Someday it will be true with DVD vs HD-DVD/Bluray.

The only issue today is having 2 formats. If HD-DVD can continue as it has so far, then this may not go on for too much longer. I'd go as far as saying that if the PS3 has no effect (or little effect) on Bluray sales, then movie studios will start supporting HD-DVD.

My personal option BTW is that the PS3 won't have a big impact. If it does, it won't be until you can walk in to a store and buy one. By that time, I think MS will probably have hundreds of thousands of the HD-DVD add ons in circulation.

SLedford 11-17-2006 12:56 PM

We need HD-DVD / BD as an interim product
 
I agree with your assessment that the writer was equating niche market to failure, and I think that is because he was looking at HD-DVD & BD as failed replacements to DVD. I think that they both serve the same niche purpose that laser disks served (demostrate that there was something better than VHS).

When DVDs came out, the quality bar had already been set by laser disks. In 8 - 10 years, the replacement will be on the market for HD-DVD & BD, and it will be discussed and anticipated for years before the release date. HD-DVD & BD will set the bar that must be matched or exceeded by the next generation product.

The timing for the next generation product will be better - HD TV ownership may be mainstream by then. Also, hopefully the industry will have learned that there must be ONE FORMAT ONLY when this new product is released.

davecramer74 11-17-2006 03:15 PM

well with HD DVD being backwards compatible to play my old dvd's, which i have a shitload of, ill make the leap and pay 200 bucks for the HD dvd for my xbox360. I personally thing sony's stupid for going blu-ray. I guess they didnt learn their lesson on the beta tapes eh? My opinion is HD dvd will become the standard.

Ive owned every console out there. Ill prolly buy the ps3 at some point. but it wont be for the blue ray features. It will be because i want to play Gran tourismo on it.

Mineo1983 11-17-2006 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fryet
I disagreed with most of the article, but I actually did agree with the following statement at the end:

"High definition is headed for a niche market at best, not an industry takeover. "

So long as HDTVs are outnumbered by old TVs, you can't call the players anything but niche either. I don't consider that a failure, though, which is what the article suggests. There is a market for HD quality recordings, however it won't be replacing DVD any time soon. It will probably take around 10 years before HD is mainstream, and until then DVD will probably the be method of choice for consumers to purchase movies. I don't consider Laser Disc to be a failure in a format, either, as it served a niche market as well, although it is a shame because Laser Disc conceivably could have taken over the entire market if it had done better. But apparently in the mind of writer, niche market = failure = shouldn't have even bothered to try. Personally, I am glad that HD is here, and look forward to this market growing.



thats exactly how i felt after reading this article. Hd is deffintaly picking up the pace. Blockbuster is even starting to have Hd titles to rent! Comcast has been upgrading there hd material l. its great.

3dhdron 11-17-2006 08:28 PM

i agree with the article, UNLESS, the prices on HD DVD/BlueRayHD players drop and soon..... i shoot 3DHD HDV video footage now.......useing a Sony HD1 HDV camcorder and a anaglyph optic lens attachment.....but i can't burn HD DVD discs or BlueRayHD Disks to watch on my 1080p HD LCD monitor.....so when will they have a home HD DVD Recorder????? i have a Mac with Final cut HD but i can only export my 3DHD edits back to HDV TAPE .i have also shot some field sequential 3DHD footage with a NuView and my HD1 HDV Camcorder.....it works too!!!!!!!.....i am looking foward to CES 2007 i have herd that Phillips WOW 3DHD no glasses system and a new JVC 3DHD no glasses system plus some others will be shown at CES....looking foward to watching my 3DHD HDV tapes on one of the 3DHD NO GLASSES systems :hithere:

K4X9 11-17-2006 09:02 PM

WOW!! I cant believe how sort-sided people are! These are the same people who said DVD will never replace VHS. HD-DVD(or Blu-Ray) is here and its not going anywhere. The more HDTV they sale the more HD-DVD(or Blu-Ray) players they will sale. As the price drops of HD-DVD(or Blu-Ray) player the more they will sell. I cant believe that people would think that DVD will still be around in 4 or 5 short years. Come on how many DVD did they sale the first year. It will take time for people to even know what the hell HD-DVD even is. Not many people have even herd of HD-DVD. We know what it is because we are HDneards but ask some of the people you work with (not if you work at CC or BB) I bet 8 out of 10 have no ideal we your talking about.

borromini 11-17-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K4X9
WOW!! I cant believe how sort-sided people are!...

short-sighted too...

SLedford 11-17-2006 10:59 PM

DVD replacing VHS was different
 
VHS being replaced by DVDs was very different from HD-DVD & BD replacing standard def DVDs:

(1) The public ALREADY had a television at home that would benefit from the improved picture offered by DVDs. Most of the public today DO NOT HAVE a television that would benefit from HD-DVD or BD.

(2) VHS did not offer a very good picture, so the perceived improvement offered by DVDs was noticeable. I don't see as big an improvement with HD-DVDs over standard DVDs.

(3) There was ONE DVD format offered (ignoring DIVIX) when DVDs were being released as a new product. There are two non-compatible formats competing for high def DVD market.

Yes, more HD television sets are sold each day, and a number of these new owners will buy one or both formats. But the article correctly pegged this as a niche market for some time to come.

paulc 11-18-2006 02:17 PM

Totally agree. It seems video HD is where the most significant improvement is seen. Movies shot on film in HD go from hardly better to a little bit better; after living with this for 6 months, I now feel the widescreen aspect is just as important as the increased resolution.

The HD DVD format war IS going to leave one side stuck. Stuck with an investment in discs that will play on their equipment, but what happens when that equipment fails and nothing is on the market? A lot of folks I know went for the better quality of beta, eventually losing a ton for those that did collect tapes.

BTW, I'd more put any "blame" on th HD side. There was a time when the only format of discussion was BD... the HD side seemed to crop onto the scene long after there was a ton of information about BD floating around.

AND I wouldn't completely dismiss the effect the PS3 may have. Not saying it WILL have a huge impact, just that it COULD work out that way.

GLOW 11-18-2006 05:57 PM

I agree that both formats will probably fail (AKA become niche) but this article is poorly thought out. The problems start with #1. "With the debut of HD DVD at an underwhelming 720p/1080i".... give me a break! I thought there was no difference between 1080i and 1080p (as evidenced all over the forums here), hell even many here will tell you there's no no big difference between 720p and 1080p :rolleyes: ... so I wonder what Joe Sixpack thinks about the difference between 720p, 1080i, and 1080p.

The whole article sounds like a jaded old a/v enthusiast who thinks he's "above" a format war (he is probably more worried about paying his kid's college tuition than buying/replacing new components for his system).


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