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ah802 09-11-2006 01:15 AM

The gloves are off, round two Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD
 
High Def Digest is reporting on 4 new movies encoded for both formats, noting Warner switched from using the MPEG-2 compression codec to VC-1 allowing a side by side comparison on three. The result in a nutshell is there is almost no difference!

Links to the comparisons of each title are in the article, go read it yourself.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature..._roundtwo.html

New blu-Ray titles are 'Firewall,' 'Lethal Weapon,' 'Blazing Saddles' and 'Full Metal Jacket,' which are already available for HD-DVD. If you think codecs are the trick... rumour Fox is utilizing the AVC/MPEG-4 codec.

Just when you thought HD-DVD was ahead of the game, Blu-Ray counters with this consumer win... next hit is cheaper players (PS3 anyone?) and the Christmas season... it'll be wild.

paulc 09-11-2006 09:01 AM

Indeed, no winner between both camps eh? I consider it a win for the smart consumer... as in not buying into ANY of their hype. "They" created a war where none was needed, so I win because my wallet stays in my pocket. I win because I can take the 800 bucks or so average hardware price and allocate it to that new HD display I will someday buy to replace my current HD display.

ah802 09-11-2006 11:14 AM

This article has brought much ado on Slash
 
Good discussion on codecs and VC1 (Microsoft) and H.264 (MPEG-4 Part 10, MPEG AVC) open standard. Along with some philosophical discussions on content (lame HD offerings).

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...35205&from=rss

Remembering the messages about 2d cartoons, and questioning HD.. well if you've got it, and they deliver it, why not? But I'll not hold my breath for colorized versions of my fav B&W movies, and I doubt I'll go out of my way to buy HD disks unless they're priced the same as what is offered to-day, and ditto for the hardware. It looks like to-days movie audience demands more visuals, but in the crush to improve this aspect.. they've forgotten about the story.

I want my bedtime story back.... in sleep I have a far better HT.

SHOSHOSHO 09-11-2006 12:08 PM

No Winner?????

I may be missing the point but if both players performed identically the winner would be HD-DVD based on the fact that hardware is about 50% less than blue ray. HD-DVD discs are also priced less.

No major victory for Blu Ray if they finally produced some discs that are about the same quality as HD-DVD.

dontknowjack 09-11-2006 12:42 PM

It's great that people are loyal to one format or other. But I don't think that I am mistaken in saying that almost everyone would like to see one format come out a winner(unless of course both format can stay permanently). I think that one way to push for that would be for enough people not to buy either format and wait. Sure that might have result of both format losing, but it could also have one format coming out a winner lot sooner than if enough people are divided in the format. Just a thought. Of course I am going to wait, especially with that news about Warner Bros. using VC-1.

rbinck 09-11-2006 06:14 PM

With dual format players, there will be no reason for both not to survive.

Revolv 09-11-2006 11:23 PM

OK then - I guess it's round two to HD DVD too!

So we're saying here that for 3 times the price, I can get a movie that looks the same, but is missing almost all the extras and special features, as well as advanced audio encoding, etc - IF I HURRY and buy a blurya player?

Gee, it sounds to good to be true ;)

paulc 09-12-2006 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbinck
With dual format players, there will be no reason for both not to survive.

Aside from the fact there might be licensing issues that could hold the hardware hostage, you need to think of the software side. That could turn to be a BIG issue; one could present a good comparison to the Beta thing; a big part of it's downfall was lack of software.

One possible smart move by one of the camps, as suggested by ah802 in another thread, is a dual sided disc w/DVD9 on one side and HD on the other.

fryet 09-12-2006 02:20 PM

I will be curious to see if MPEG4 on BD50 does provide an improvement in picture quality. In theory, the current buggy Samsung may produce a better picture than the Toshiba once it gets the right material.

drock912001 09-12-2006 07:08 PM

Actually software will determine this thing.Price is overrated didn't we spend over $600 for 1st generation sd dvd players?Hollywood pushed dvd to the forefront and can do the same here.But Disney and SONY and the adult movie industry has sided with Blu-ray so far.It's a big victory for blu-ray km=now matter how they spin it.SONY has been critisized from day 1 for the quality of movies even though Samsung released the first player.Go figure.

dontknowjack 09-13-2006 01:02 AM

Ok I just picked a side. I am going with Blu-Ray. I am still going to wait for one to win but I am rooting for the Blu-Ray to win. I just think Blu-Ray is a better technology even though they have lot of glitch in their system. I think Blu-Ray have much more potential than HD-DVD.

µCOM-4 09-13-2006 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulc
Aside from the fact there might be licensing issues that could hold the hardware hostage, you need to think of the software side. That could turn to be a BIG issue; one could present a good comparison to the Beta thing; a big part of it's downfall was lack of software.

One possible smart move by one of the camps, as suggested by ah802 in another thread, is a dual sided disc w/DVD9 on one side and HD on the other.

There are already hybrid HD DVDs out there.

paulc 09-13-2006 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by µCOM-4
There are already hybrid HD DVDs out there.

Really? HD and what exactly? I'm surprised because there doesn't seem to be more than 3 or 4 HD players on the market now...

hdtv4me2 09-13-2006 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulc
Really? HD and what exactly? I'm surprised because there doesn't seem to be more than 3 or 4 HD players on the market now...

When they refer to hybrid DVDs their referring to SD on one side, HD on the other.


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