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Old 06-29-2006, 10:13 AM   #1  
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Old 06-29-2006, 11:28 AM   #2  
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I went into the BB to look at the BluRay - It was playing the Samsung demo disk to a Samsung flat panel - I advanced the demo to Pirates and was astounded how poor the PQ was - all bright red,blue white and black - no real detail - I asked the salesman to change the display from vivid/game to cinema or pro so I could evaluate the player - He told me that is the way it is set up by the rep and no one in the store will change it -
Almost seemed to me they were discouraging Blu-ray customers - the Toshiba player set up in the same endcap a few weeks ago was displayed much dimmer and showed a reasonably detailed picture - although I wouldn't have bought HD-DVD on the basis of the Kong PQ either -
I was impressed by the salesman at another local video chain (Video Only) where I seem to end up buying my stuff many times - who said they will get the Blu-ray later after the market realizes HD-DVD has no content - but I got the impression he was waiting for the whole flapdoodle to go away like SACD,DVD-Audio,Superbit and other superior formats that the public really didn't GAS enough to pay extra for.
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The review on google hd news of the new samsung blu ray was terrible. Main thing was very poor picture quality and a 1000 dollar price tag.
Who is going to buy that.
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I've heard the majority of the first generation movies were pretty bad quality. The review was slamming Sony for what it appeared to be rushing the technology out.
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There's no question that BD has not launched the way Sony would have liked and certainly is not keeping pace with HD-DVD. We'll have to wait in October to see if Sony's player and the titles release at that time are improvements.
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I am a Blu-ray supporter, and I thought it was a bad article. They should have at least mentioned that current BR movies are 25GB, not 50GB. BR does have more potential, but at least give a fair assessment of the way things stand today.
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I personally am going to wait for one of the formats to win. When that happens and the players get down to about $200 I will get one. Right now my Sony DVD player looks great. Not as great as HD, but still really nice. I also have over 550 DVDs and am in no way going to get the HD version of them. I personally think it will take at least 2 more years for HD-DVD or BluRay to win and mature. It was the same way with HDTV, no standards, nearly no HD content. Give it some time and things will settle.
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550 DVDs? Wow...now that's a library! Luckily both formats are backward compatible. As for the format war time frame...two years is definitely a minimum if waiting for a winner via market selection. Hopefully the war can be short-lived via negotiations to unify the formats.

BTW, I believe HDTV standards (ATSC) have been around since 1969, just never commercialized until the last decade. Horse-and-cart obviously when referring to lack of content.
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Two things I have read actually make me optimistic (unless they are incorrect). One is that sales of new TVs will have HD sets selling more units than SD sets by year's end. The other (and maybe harder to believe) is that by year's end, installed base of HD sets will be around 25%.

As to optical HD, one of the things I took particular note of when I went HD 3 months ago was that plain old DVDs looked a lot better than I had thought. Now I understand that part of that was that I was seeing more of the picture (my criteria for screen size was to match the screen height of my old CRT), but I find the overall PQ to be very good. Plus, back in the mag tape era I had been a Beta guy... and look what that got me.
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Wow, I agree...550 DVD's is alot..your keep Hollywood in business!
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I went into the BB to look at the BluRay - It was playing the Samsung demo disk to a Samsung flat panel - I advanced the demo to Pirates and was astounded how poor the PQ was - all bright red,blue white and black - no real detail - I asked the salesman to change the display from vivid/game to cinema or pro so I could evaluate the player - He told me that is the way it is set up by the rep and no one in the store will change it -
Almost seemed to me they were discouraging Blu-ray customers - the Toshiba player set up in the same endcap a few weeks ago was displayed much dimmer and showed a reasonably detailed picture - although I wouldn't have bought HD-DVD on the basis of the Kong PQ either -
I was impressed by the salesman at another local video chain (Video Only) where I seem to end up buying my stuff many times - who said they will get the Blu-ray later after the market realizes HD-DVD has no content - but I got the impression he was waiting for the whole flapdoodle to go away like SACD,DVD-Audio,Superbit and other superior formats that the public really didn't GAS enough to pay extra for.
I also visited Best Buy to take a look at HD DVD, forgetting that Blu-Ray had been recently released a day or two before.

HD DVD was on the shelf, but not hooked up. When I asked a clerk where I could see the HD DVD, he pointed to another area, close by.

This turned out to be the new Samsung Blu-Ray shown through a Samsung Plasma screen.

First problem was that there was a pole directly in back of the viewing area. Standing five feet away from a Plasma screen is way to close.

I will say that the graphics were extraordinary. The Samsung demo disc a very mixed bag. The digital animated cartoon (can't remember the name) was almost three dimensional in the clarity and details. The colors were also brilliant.

The Pirates and Hutch films were VERY disappointing. The Hutch filmed promo showed variable amounts of grain per scene. The color often bleeding and actors facial makeup all too present. The Pirates movie had been transferred from a very grainy and extremely dark print; along with some obvious scratch marks. At one point in this clip, the picture froze, but the sound continued. I forwarded to the next excerpt.

One cannot make a fair judgment on Blu-Ray based on this machine or the demo disc provided by Samsung. It is fair to say that films will look only as good as the original source. The extra information of Blu-Ray only makes flaws stand out that much more.

It is also obvious that a new and better approach will need to be taken on the transfer of film stock to Blu-Ray.

A gentleman I know at Panasonic says that his company has not rushed to release their first generation machine. They are observing problems that are being found in these first releases. He suggests that by the second generation of Blu-Ray, the technical elements will be improved and the prices lower. Panasonic is also aware of the seemingly poor film transfers.

Fair, at this point to wait and see.
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Currently SD-DVD movies upconverted on an HD-DVD player look better than any Blu ray movie played on the Samsung Blu ray player. This might change once the Pioneer model is released, but it is not a good start for Blu ray.
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Old 07-07-2006, 09:08 PM   #13  
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I'm going to come into this discussion from a different angle. I imagine most posters to this thread are early adopters who just can't wait to get their hands on the newest gadget. That's not me, and that's not most consumers. When it comes to consumer electronics, I tend to wait until formats settle out, bugs are fixed, prices come down, content goes up, and the industry generally gets it's act together. I have yet to buy either a SACD or a DVD-Audio player.

I'm technically competent. I can hook up a home theater system properly. I enjoy HDTV -- in fact I'm so spoiled by it I rarely watch SD television. But I'm happy with the quality of regular DVD's. At my viewing distance on my TV, they're comparable to Dish or OTA HDTV. So tell me, why should I rush to spend $1000 for what is almost certain to be a minor improvement?

I'll probably wait until the players break the $300 barrier. If they don't make it that low, neither format will ever take off and the content won't be there.

As for the price of the movies . . . another thing the early adopters seem to obsess about . . . I could care less. I don't buy. I never want to watch a movie more than once, so where's the incentive to buy? I expect the rental costs to be a little higher, and I can live with that. If rental costs climb too high, I won't buy a player, and I won't rent -- and neither will most other people.

I'm probably the slightly above average consumer -- technically savvy but conservative when it comes to opening my wallet. I'm interested enough to monitor forums like this one. The industry understands people like me, so I'm confident that in a few years they will meet my needs. Or if they don't, the whole thing will be a bust, and I'll be glad I didn't spend that $1000 in 2006.

But I hope you early adopters go ahead and buy. The industry needs you to kickstart the cash flow. And it'll never get to where I want it unless you spend, spend, spend.
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Early Adopter? Not me!.... I have yet to buy either a SACD or a DVD-Audio player.... But I'm happy with the quality of regular DVD's. ..., they're comparable to Dish or OTA HDTV. ...As for the price of the movies . . . . . . I could care less. I don't buy. ... If rental costs climb too high, I won't buy a player, and I won't rent ...I'm confident that in a few years they will meet my needs. Or if they don't, the whole thing will be a bust, and I'll be glad I didn't spend that $1000 in 2006...
Have fun with your $1000 -- in the meantime I'll live with and enjoy all that stuff you are too cheap to try
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...You only go around once - Even CEOs of Enron don't live forever
Didn't take long for that saying to arrive.
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